robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 11:16pm
I've heard that rumor before. I think Lebron is putting pressure on Miami's FO to make it happen, if not he will probably end up back in Cleveland which is what I hope happens.Commander of Awesome;1629717 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233897/Clippers-Would-Consider-Moving-Blake-In-Deal-For-LeBron
lol this shit is getting beyond ridiculous. However this pretty much proves he's not coming to Cleveland so I hope the idiots will STFU about it.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:17pm
You know what it means.Commander of Awesome;1629720 wrote:And wtf does that mean? lolfail rob
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KB0938
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Jun 24, 2014 11:18pm
I edited that and listed the stats from 2 of the major defensive scenarios and the points per play each of them gave up. Hes not nearly as bad as people would like to think. But Im not syaing hes a better all around defender , james simply gets a lot of credit on his d due to reputation. In years past he was real good, this year he def slipped from what he usually is/wasrobj55;1629712 wrote:Lebron is a much better defender everywhere, any position. Not close. Wish we would see some more effort from Melo on that end, always thought he could do/be more.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 24, 2014 11:18pm
Yeah, I don't really care about that, just proves that other franchises have more to offer for James, and are better situations than the fucking Cavs. Sick of reading this Cavs trade for Love to entice LBJ to come home BS. 1st of all, Cleveland has 0 to offer for Love, and 2nd of all much better situations for LBJ than Cleveland. Pure pipe dream. I'd give it a 0% chance of happening, yet is taking up 50% of cleveland posts and 80% of my twitter feed.wildcats20;1629719 wrote:Doc has said that Griffin is untouchable. Who knows if that is true or not, but it's been said.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:18pm
I honestly don't know how it works, I thought three point shots were factored in? I don't use those advanced analytics.lhslep134;1629716 wrote:What does Wade not shooting three's have to do with using true shooting percentage? I would LOVE to hear this logic....
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 11:18pm
Wade has only ever won, when he's been paired with a Top 10 player alltime in the NBA. I'm not so sure he's a winner either.robj55;1629718 wrote:Wade is 4% better and 4" shorter with not nearly the athleticism. Rudy Gay isn't a winner either, Wade is, which factors in.
Unless you consider a player like Joel Anthony to be a winner.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:19pm
Kyrie, Dion, Wiggins, Lebron and Hawes sounds pretty damn good to me.Commander of Awesome;1629724 wrote:Yeah, I don't really care about that, just proves that other franchises have more to offer for James, and are better situations than the fucking Cavs. Sick of reading this Cavs trade for Love to entice LBJ to come home BS. 1st of all, Cleveland has 0 to offer for Love, and 2nd of all much better situations for LBJ than Cleveland. Pure pipe dream. I'd give it a 0% chance of happening, yet is taking up 50% of cleveland posts and 80% of my twitter feed.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 24, 2014 11:19pm
MVP!!!!!!!!HighRoller74;1629726 wrote:Wade has only ever won, when he's been paired with a Top 10 player alltime in the NBA. I'm not so sure he's a winner either.
Unless you consider a player like Joel Anthony to be a winner.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 24, 2014 11:20pm
It means that Wade is marginally better than one of the worst advanced analytics players in the NBA? Congrats? Also that a "winner" is dumb fucking arguement ppl make when they're fucking idiots and have ZERO to back up what they're saying, IE tebow?robj55;1629722 wrote:You know what it means.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:20pm
Wade carried them to a title in 06. Had some help from Shaq and JWill but largely due to him making plays on both ends.HighRoller74;1629726 wrote:Wade has only ever won, when he's been paired with a Top 10 player alltime in the NBA. I'm not so sure he's a winner either.
Unless you consider a player like Joel Anthony to be a winner.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:21pm
No but good spin, A for effort.Commander of Awesome;1629729 wrote:It means that Wade is marginally better than one of the worst advanced analytics players in the NBA? Congrats?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 24, 2014 11:21pm
Now you're annoying me. Shut the f*ck up you delusional homer. I watch more basketball than you can dream of and I know way more about the NBA than you do.robj55;1629715 wrote:You might wanna go back to watching soccer, this basketball thing isn't for you.
But don't take my assertion Lebron's effort level dipped, here's some writers who "watch the NBA".
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/5/5780502/nba-finals-2014-preview-miami-heat-san-antonio-spursComing off of back-to-back titles, Miami took it easy this season. Dwyane Wade rested plenty, LeBron James put less effort into his defense and the team seemed totally content to get into the playoffs healthy
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/19942/lebron-shows-hes-got-everyone-coveredAfter a couple months of less-than-standard defensive effort
Again, shut the f*ck up.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 11:22pm
Shaq went for 19-10 in the playoffs.robj55;1629731 wrote:Wade carried them to a title in 06. Had some help from Shaq and JWill but largely due to him making plays on both ends.
Wade played out of his mind though, I agree.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 24, 2014 11:22pm
Hawes is a FA and wouldnt fit under that cap. Kyrie and Dion are me first prima donas who don't play defense. How is that enticing? I'd trade Kyrie right now for Mike Conley and wouldn't think twice about it. Much better player.robj55;1629727 wrote:Kyrie, Dion, Wiggins, Lebron and Hawes sounds pretty damn good to me.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:23pm
He gets credit because he makes plays and defends at a high level against all positions. Those stats don't mean shit, everyone with vision can see Melo is a bad defender, which is a shame. They might have made the playoffs this year had he taken up enough pride to play at a high level on that end. It's not like he's incapable of doing so. I watched almost all of Lebron's games this year, there was no slippage in his defense.KB0938;1629723 wrote:I edited that and listed the stats from 2 of the major defensive scenarios and the points per play each of them gave up. Hes not nearly as bad as people would like to think. But Im not syaing hes a better all around defender , james simply gets a lot of credit on his d due to reputation. In years past he was real good, this year he def slipped from what he usually is/was
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 11:24pm
Did you read the article?robj55;1629721 wrote:I've heard that rumor before. I think Lebron is putting pressure on Miami's FO to make it happen, if not he will probably end up back in Cleveland which is what I hope happens.
Lebron is putting pressure on the Miami FO to trade him for Blake Griffin?
Commander of Awesome
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Jun 24, 2014 11:24pm
Nice edit there chief.robj55;1629732 wrote:No but good spin, A for effort.
wildcats20
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Jun 24, 2014 11:25pm
His numbers say otherwise.robj55;1629736 wrote:He gets credit because he makes plays and defends at a high level against all positions. Those stats don't mean shit, everyone with vision can see Melo is a bad defender, which is a shame. They might have made the playoffs this year had he taken up enough pride to play at a high level on that end. It's not like he's incapable of doing so. I watched almost all of Lebron's games this year, there was no slippage in his defense.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 11:25pm
Think Hawes would take less money? He was damn good last year for the Cavs and can stretch a defense while still rebounding. One thing you are forgetting, Lebron is an alpha and a winner/leader. He could take those young players under his wing and show/tell them what needs to be done in order to win at the highest level. I like Conley too but that Cavs team wins titles.Commander of Awesome;1629735 wrote:Hawes is a FA and wouldnt fit under that cap. Kyrie and Dion are me first prima donas who don't play defense. How is that enticing? I'd trade Kyrie right now for Mike Conley and wouldn't think twice about it. Much better player.
Commander of Awesome
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Jun 24, 2014 11:25pm
How much of a winner was Wade when he was the main guy in Miami? Of wait his team was a fucking lottery team. Meanwhile LBJ playing with Garbage in Miami is a finals team. lolfail rob
lhslep134
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Jun 24, 2014 11:26pm
robj55;1629736 wrote:I watched almost all of Lebron's games this year, there was no slippage in his defense.
Because you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING. If the Heat give up a basket in the post that was a the result of Lebron's lazy rotation on a sideline screen or gets caught ball watching or doesn't fight through a screen like you'd see in the playoffs, you don't realize the play was a result of Lebron's lazy (and hence, "bad") defense.
Considering the rests of your posts on the topic, you don't have a high level understanding of basketball.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jun 24, 2014 11:26pm
Hawes is still pathetic on defense. Solid on offense, stretch player that is realitively healthy last yr. I wouldn't back up the brinks truck for him.robj55;1629741 wrote:Think Hawes would take less money? He was damn good last year for the Cavs and can stretch a defense while still rebounding. One thing you are forgetting, Lebron is an alpha and a winner/leader. He could take those young players under his wing and show/tell them what needs to be done in order to win at the highest level. I like Conley too but that Cavs team wins titles.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 24, 2014 11:26pm
Don't care about numbers when it comes to defense. Guess you didn't see him lock up Tony Parker in the finals when he guarded him. Those numbers are useless. Like I said I watched almost every game he played this year and he is elite defensively.wildcats20;1629740 wrote:His numbers say otherwise.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jun 24, 2014 11:27pm
Potentially I think he wouldrobj55;1629741 wrote:Think Hawes would take less money? He was damn good last year for the Cavs and can stretch a defense while still rebounding. One thing you are forgetting, Lebron is an alpha and a winner/leader. He could take those young players under his wing and show/tell them what needs to be done in order to win at the highest level. I like Conley too but that Cavs team wins titles.
At same time, the Cavs have his bird rights, so they could exceed the cap to sign him, if need be.
robj55
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Jun 24, 2014 11:27pm
Who else is there? Not a TT fan. Who is available that is reasonable?Commander of Awesome;1629744 wrote:Hawes is still pathetic on defense. Solid on offense, stretch player that is realitively healthy last yr. I wouldn't back up the brinks truck for him.