Agree heretic....but Sergio, Rex Ryan, Perez and others have done little to nothing but hit it early in this thread.

I know what you mean though.

Heretic;1453531 wrote:He's getting older and more injury-prone on a team that's getting older and more injury-riddled, so he's not delivering the same amount of hurt feelz to fans of other teams during the football season, so he's declined from "MR SUPER DOUCHE!!!" to "Mr. I can't believe we haven't mentioned him yet!". Then it'll be "Man, that guy was a real douche; whatever happened to him?" and so on.

Success is a part of doucheness. In theory, a guy like Omar Casspi could be as big of a douche as Kobe, but one's an aging megastar and the other is a nobody everywhere outside of Cleveland (and possibly in Cleveland, considering his role on the team was definitely not "integral piece moving forward"). Both of them could get "busted" by tabloid-like sites for not tipping after huge meals, but with one, you'll get a lot of "It's Kobe, what do you expect" and the other will get a lot of "Who the fuck is that?" responses.

In a way, it worries me. If Ben is losing his "Uber-Douche" shine on this site, maybe the doomsayers are correct and the sun is setting on this era of Steeler football.

You might as well change your name to non with this post and theory. The real reason why he wasn't mentioned was already stated. He is a scumbag POS. If my two choices were to be a douche or a scumbag POS I would choose the former.

Maybe a semantics thing.....but aren't ScumPOS just elite level douchers? All ScumBPOS are douchers....but not all douchers are ScumBPOS.

like_that;1453253 wrote:Jimmy Haslam isn't a coach....

Also, I am sure Jimmy will be punished once due process is complete.

players get punished before the due process is complete. why should a owner be any different? wait I forgot goodell is the mouth piece for the owners.

lhslep134;1453533 wrote:Agreed. Different types of scumbag. I don't think different levels (IE completely scummy), but definitely different types.

:thumbup:

Ironman92;1453546 wrote:Maybe a semantics thing.....but aren't ScumPOS just elite level douchers? All ScumBPOS are douchers....but not all douchers are ScumBPOS.

No.

KnightRyder;1453548 wrote:players get punished before the due process is complete. why should a owner be any different? wait I forgot goodell is the mouth piece for the owners.

You are aware that Goodell works for the owners right?

like_that;1453542 wrote:You might as well change your name to non with this post and theory. The real reason why he wasn't mentioned was already stated. He is a scumbag POS. If my two choices were to be a douche or a scumbag POS I would choose the former.

lol, a post that's all well and good. Except for the following minor details.

He was never charged with any rape-related crimes. He never spent time in court being tried for any rape-related crimes. No one here has had anything more concrete to offer than "when there's smoke there's fire" and "he was douche back in college, so I'm not surprised".

Dude might have raped, might not have, but on this site, it seems that a lot of people are 100% convinced he did and willing to adamantly say so with regularity despite how neither accusations nor legal work convinced the people examining the incidents that he should even have to waste his time with courtroom stuff or defending himself.

Which leads to the whole "you care so much because he's a big name who beats your team regularly" theory. Some schlub offensive lineman on the Jags has this sort of shit happen with the same (lack of) results and no one will care beyond MAYBE posting a link here assuming it even registers more than a blip on the national radar.

Heretic;1453582 wrote:lol, a post that's all well and good. Except for the following minor details.

He was never charged with any rape-related crimes. He never spent time in court being tried for any rape-related crimes. No one here has had anything more concrete to offer than "when there's smoke there's fire" and "he was douche back in college, so I'm not surprised".

Dude might have raped, might not have, but on this site, it seems that a lot of people are 100% convinced he did and willing to adamantly say so with regularity despite how neither accusations nor legal work convinced the people examining the incidents that he should even have to waste his time with courtroom stuff or defending himself.

Which leads to the whole "you care so much because he's a big name who beats your team regularly" theory. Some schlub offensive lineman on the Jags has this sort of shit happen with the same (lack of) results and no one will care beyond MAYBE posting a link here assuming it even registers more than a blip on the national radar.

You're right Heretic, despite every known account, including testimony of the victim:

[video=youtube;xffnlQ_Miyo][/video]

and, 3 seperate accusations over the course of a few yrs, settlements outside of court and a suspension from the league....he's innocent.

Excuse me while I LMAO.

Wow heretic you actually believe roeth to be innocent? Just because it never made it to court?!

Not to mention, you know it's sad when you say "our QB didn't make it on the first 100 posts on the biggest douches in sports thread!!"

Steelers fans are pathetic.

like_that;1450518 wrote:It was mostly constant trolling, but the final straw was when I told him to limit his TV appearances, because his voice sounds like someone injected him with estrogen.

Grantland, the site, has grown on me as well as his writing but I will not listen to any podcast of Grantland's that he is on (or even when he is on ESPN/ABC) because of his annoying voice. Props to you for that tweet.

Commander of Awesome;1453586 wrote:You're right Heretic, despite every known account, including testimony of the victim:

[video=youtube;xffnlQ_Miyo][/video]

and, 3 seperate accusations over the course of a few yrs, settlements outside of court and a suspension from the league....he's innocent.

Excuse me while I LMAO.

All of which led to no charges being filed. Must have been compelling. LMAO.

SportsAndLady;1453606 wrote:Wow heretic you actually believe roeth to be innocent? Just because it never made it to court?!

Not to mention, you know it's sad when you say "our QB didn't make it on the first 100 posts on the biggest douches in sports thread!!"

Steelers fans are pathetic.

Never said that I think he's innocent. Just not saying that I'm all totally sure he's guilty. But his guilt must not be this ironclad lock you guys think it is if nothing legally came from it. Shit, Kobe-rape progressed farther than this. But there's nothing wrong with grasping at the "I know what REALLY happened!" straw.

Browns/Reds/Buckeyes/Jayhawks fans are funny. "SHIT IT'S JUNE!!! WHAT PART OF THE WORLD AM I CHEERING FOR TODAY!!!!!"

Heretic;1453739 wrote: Kobe-rape progressed farther than this. But there's nothing wrong with grasping at the "I know what REALLY happened!" straw."

FWIW, all joking aside, IMO Kobe didn't rape her. He cheated on his wife with her, and she tried to extort money from him by crying rape.

Heretic;1453739 wrote:Never said that I think he's innocent. Just not saying that I'm all totally sure he's guilty. But his guilt must not be this ironclad lock you guys think it is if nothing legally came from it. Shit, Kobe-rape progressed farther than this. But there's nothing wrong with grasping at the "I know what REALLY happened!" straw.

Browns/Reds/Buckeyes/Jayhawks fans are funny. "SHIT IT'S JUNE!!! WHAT PART OF THE WORLD AM I CHEERING FOR TODAY!!!!!"

You're not totally sure he's guilty, becuase he's the QB of your favorite football team. Everyone else could look at what is already out there and take a logical stance of "He probably didn't hold a girl down in the woods and rape her, but that girl was definitely NOT wanting to sleep with him, and he and his crew certainly did not give a single fuck." Anyone else gets put in jail for a significant amount of time; Roeth has money so he got out of even going to trial (aka, probably paid her a shit ton under the table).

Also, I'd rather be a fan of the Browns/Reds/Buckeyes/Jayhawks, hell I'd rather be a fan of the Yankees, Cowboys, Blackhawks, Alabama fball, and Kentucky bball than a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'd rather not have to root for a piece of shit asshole (those stories are documented, teh guys an asshole, or at least was) that can't even get ***** on his own because he's a little on the chubby side.

Heretic;1453582 wrote:lol, a post that's all well and good. Except for the following minor details.

He was never charged with any rape-related crimes. He never spent time in court being tried for any rape-related crimes. No one here has had anything more concrete to offer than "when there's smoke there's fire" and "he was douche back in college, so I'm not surprised".

Dude might have raped, might not have, but on this site, it seems that a lot of people are 100% convinced he did and willing to adamantly say so with regularity despite how neither accusations nor legal work convinced the people examining the incidents that he should even have to waste his time with courtroom stuff or defending himself.

Which leads to the whole "you care so much because he's a big name who beats your team regularly" theory. Some schlub offensive lineman on the Jags has this sort of shit happen with the same (lack of) results and no one will care beyond MAYBE posting a link here assuming it even registers more than a blip on the national radar.

Ok heretic, I like your posts, so I realize everyone has an idiotic post here and there. Fact of the matter is rapistberger is a scumbag POS. He had the same reputation of being forceful when he was playing at Miami. When I was there, I heard numerous stories from older alumni how he would be very agressive with girls, and once pulled a girl back to him telling her "nobody turns down ben roethlistberger." Dude is just a fucking scumbag from a shithole town in Ohio. The whole butthurt argument is a reach and nonesque no matter how you cut it. Sure, you can call me biased since I am a cleveland fan, but there are plenty of fans outside of Cleveland who think rapistberger is a scumbag POS. Just look at the comments of any article featuring rapistberger. Are you trying to tell me every one of those "rape" comments are coming from fans within the AFC North? LOL. I am sure those niner, pats, pack, etc fans are all butt hurt from rapistberger. :rolleyes:

like_that;1453803 wrote:Ok heretic, I like your posts, so I realize everyone has an idiotic post here and there. Fact of the matter is rapistberger is a scumbag POS. He had the same reputation of being forceful when he was playing at Miami. When I was there, I heard numerous stories from older alumni how he would be very agressive with girls, and once pulled a girl back to him telling her "nobody turns down ben roethlistberger." Dude is just a fucking scumbag from a shithole town in Ohio. The whole butthurt argument is a reach and nonesque no matter how you cut it. Sure, you can call me biased since I am a cleveland fan, but there are plenty of fans outside of Cleveland who think rapistberger is a scumbag POS. Just look at the comments of any article featuring rapistberger. Are you trying to tell me every one of those "rape" comments are coming from fans within the AFC North? LOL. I am sure those niner, pats, pack, etc fans are all butt hurt from rapistberger. :rolleyes:

Shit forget about Miami he has been a POS since high school. I've never heard anything great about him. Althought his mom is really nice. She always would come into the Kroger I worked at when I was in high school. I'll never forget the one time Big Ben came in and there I guess was a little bit of milk on the floor that leaked and when he came through the line he almost slipped and fell it was really hard not to laugh.

I'd bet that there isn't anyone that isn't a hardcore Steelers fan that not only doesn't believe that Ben didn't assault young women, but will agree that he's a dirtbag pos as well...amirite?

vball10set;1453827 wrote:I'd bet that there isn't anyone that isn't a hardcore Steelers fan that not only doesn't believe that Ben didn't assault young women, but will agree that he's a dirtbag pos as well...amirite?

Too many double negatives I have no idea what you are saying.

vball10set;1453827 wrote:I'd bet that there isn't anyone that isn't a hardcore Steelers fan that not only doesn't believe that Ben didn't assault young women, but will agree that he's a dirtbag pos as well...amirite?

I've read it twice....but am not sure. Lol

lhslep134;1453771 wrote:FWIW, all joking aside, IMO Kobe didn't rape her. He cheated on his wife with her, and she tried to extort money from him by crying rape.

lhslep134;1453771 wrote:FWIW, all joking aside, IMO Kobe didn't rape her. He cheated on his wife with her, and she tried to extort money from him by crying rape.

First, been a long ass day (being up and around at whatever time I posted earlier isn't my thing), so if I'm less coherent than usual, it's tiredness as opposed to drunkenness.

The Kobe thing confuses me because there were so many mixed signals coming from so many sides. Hell there was his own comments from after charges were dropped (swiped from Wiki) "Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."

That kinda led me to at least believe it might have gone the route of a consenting encounter that went farther than she'd like. I do remember, solely due to the hilarity of the comment, that in his testimony, Kobe made a comment about putting it up the ass because that's what he does. Might not have been her thing, though, so part of the lawsuit was based on getting something other than what she wanted. Or not.

To tie that in with Ben, when it comes to the two cases I know about (CoA said three, but I don't know of that third one and my lazy glance at Wiki only mentioned two unless I was so lazy I completely missed one...if anyone actually has a link to the third, I'd at least be interested in reading it), my honest feelings are this.

1. The chick in the hotel was looking to extort. I don't recall anything particularly trustworthy about her, but do recall testimony from a coworker saying she was talking about doing him and not in the rape way before any complaint was ever made.

2. The bar chick, I think, was along the lines with what I inferred from that Kobe quote. They went into the bathroom, she got cold feet (because, you know, bar bathroom sex...), he kept going, the general drunkenness of the night wound up making it hard to get stories straight and whatnot in order to get enough evidence to file charges.

So personal opinion is that he probably did commit one rape and at least I'm usually grounded enough to not let emotions guide me in this sort of thing. Just hard for me to say something definitely happened and go forward with 100% certainty when neither incident is remotely cut-and-dry IMO.

There, got that O-Trap-sized post up that time. Fucking Cloudfare or whatever the fuck that shit's called.

In reference to Heretic's 3rd accusation (this is precluding the charges he had dropped at Miami.)

"It’s almost like piling on Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger at this point. On top of the Lake Tahoe sexual assault civil suit allegation Roethlisberger faces and the Georgia sexual assault allegation he escaped, a Boston lawyer now says Roethlisberger had a third similar sexual assault case in Las Vegas. From WEEI in Boston:[INDENT]“Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl’s story,” said [Boston attorney Harry] Manion, a partner at the firm of Cooley Manion Jones, LLP and a frequent guest of WEEI. “The outcome was that the young woman did not want to proceed, and we did not take any action. There is a history here — and I can’t say any further because we never proceeded with it — but there is a history here that is just super troubling.”


http://www.totalpackers.com/2010/04/16/a-third-roethlisberger-accuser/

http://www.politicolnews.com/roethlisberger-3rd-rape/

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the 3rd does seem to a bit weak, as I can't find any "traditional" source on it though I found plenty citing the story. No word on the outcome. Also it should be noted WHILE this was going on (the trials etc..) he whipped his dick out while on a public gof course and took a piss. Later he got a buddy of his to take the charge, but eye witness accounts said it was rapistberger. Just an interesting side note.


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