Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Mar 20, 2013 2:02pm
I would really love to trade down and pick up either a 2nd this year, a first next year or both and take warmack. Use that 2nd rounder on a corner/ safety.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 20, 2013 2:05pm
I would do that, I just dont want to go from #6 to #26 again and pick up bums in the process (See Jets trade).Crimson streak;1409969 wrote:I would really love to trade down and pick up either a 2nd this year, a first next year or both and take warmack. Use that 2nd rounder on a corner/ safety.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 2:07pm
Ha. That Jets trade was the worst in US history. What a fucking joke. :thumbdown:Commander of Awesome;1409971 wrote:I would do that, I just dont want to go from #6 to #26 again and pick up bums in the process (See Jets trade).
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 2:08pm
Especially considering the Jets did that for freaking Sanchez. Both parties are retarded.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2013 2:10pm
If Warmack is the target, I doubt he drops much farther than 10-12. Actually, I know it's considered "taboo" but with the new rookie pay scale, I'd be tempted to use #6 on Warmack. I've heard Philly could snag him at #4.Commander of Awesome;1409971 wrote:I would do that, I just dont want to go from #6 to #26 again and pick up bums in the process (See Jets trade).
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Mar 20, 2013 2:11pm
What about Vaccaro with the 1st and an OG like Larry Warford in the second?Crimson streak;1409969 wrote:I would really love to trade down and pick up either a 2nd this year, a first next year or both and take warmack. Use that 2nd rounder on a corner/ safety.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 20, 2013 2:13pm
We def need a FS and I like Vaccaro. I like other FS options in the 3rd round as well, Rambo, Swearinger, and a few others.CLEconomically Speaking;1409980 wrote:What about Vaccaro with the 1st and an OG like Larry Warford in the second?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Mar 20, 2013 2:15pm
I would have no problem with moving down, now way I move completely out of the first round for a 2nd rounder and picks next year.DeyDurkie5;1409954 wrote:Franchise players are found across the board in round 1. Moving down is not that big of a deal, especially when you get more picks.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2013 2:18pm
I said a 2nd & a 3rd this year along with a 1st & more next year.se-alum;1409987 wrote:I would have no problem with moving down, now way I move completely out of the first round for a 2nd rounder and picks next year.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Mar 20, 2013 2:40pm
to be honest, im tired of "next year" and always trading down. Wouldnt be opposed if it were only a few spots, such as 6 to 10-12. The new regime needs to get good players, and now; or else Shook's quote is spot on.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 2:48pm
You trade twice. Go from #6 to #10-12 for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 4th rounder in 2013 and a first in 2014. Then go from #10-12 to completely out for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 3rd rounder in 2013, a 1st in 2014 and a 2nd in 2014. I mean that's a hell of a lot of pieces to bring in for sacrificing 1 pick. In 2014, we'd have 3 first rounders, and 2 2nd rounders; that's 5 impact players in one year. EZ.se-alum;1409987 wrote:I would have no problem with moving down, now way I move completely out of the first round for a 2nd rounder and picks next year.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2013 2:50pm
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sleeper again.sleeper;1410019 wrote:You trade twice. Go from #6 to #10-12 for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 4th rounder in 2013 and a first in 2014. Then go from #10-12 to completely out for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 3rd rounder in 2013, a 1st in 2014 and a 2nd in 2014. I mean that's a hell of a lot of pieces to bring in for sacrificing 1 pick. In 2014, we'd have 3 first rounders, and 2 2nd rounders; that's 5 impact players in one year. EZ.
I like the way you're thinkin'...
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 20, 2013 2:52pm
Same here..on both accounts.BR1986FB;1410022 wrote:You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sleeper again.
I like the way you're thinkin'...
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2013 2:59pm
Especially in this draft. Second & third rounders will probably turn into gold where the difference between a lot of the mid 1st rounders & 2nd rounders is negligible.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 20, 2013 3:00pm
sleeper..how do you feel about trading up to the 1 spot to take john simon?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 3:00pm
I'd take him with our second round pick.DeyDurkie5;1410031 wrote:sleeper..how do you feel about trading up to the 1 spot to take john simon?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 20, 2013 3:04pm
total mindfuck to the world if we traded up to number 1 to draft simon. I can see berman's head exploding on live television exploding with a "WHOOOOOOOP"sleeper;1410032 wrote:I'd take him with our second round pick.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 20, 2013 3:04pm
That is using george costanza logic......sleeper;1410019 wrote:You trade twice. Go from #6 to #10-12 for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 4th rounder in 2013 and a first in 2014. Then go from #10-12 to completely out for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 3rd rounder in 2013, a 1st in 2014 and a 2nd in 2014. I mean that's a hell of a lot of pieces to bring in for sacrificing 1 pick. In 2014, we'd have 3 first rounders, and 2 2nd rounders; that's 5 impact players in one year. EZ.
The thing ya all are not taking into account is that this franchise has been in the basement for quite awhile. Numerous coaches, GM's, owners and the such. The new guy is going to feel the need to win and win now because of the past.
Teams like NE can get away with trading down and picking up guys because they have other franchise players/coaches that win. That affords them the luxury of doing such things, plus they have track records of getting the right guys and/or having guys succeed because of their system. Whatever the case, they can do things that other places cant.
The browns need to show significant progress and quick and the newbies know it.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2013 3:07pm
Haslam has already said he expects progress but not "13-3." If there was such pressure to "win now" they would've blown all of this $50 million on free agents. Haslam came out yesterday and said they are saving a nice chunk for next years free agency.thavoice;1410035 wrote:That is using george costanza logic......
The thing ya all are not taking into account is that this franchise has been in the basement for quite awhile. Numerous coaches, GM's, owners and the such. The new guy is going to feel the need to win and win now because of the past.
Teams like NE can get away with trading down and picking up guys because they have other franchise players/coaches that win. That affords them the luxury of doing such things, plus they have track records of getting the right guys and/or having guys succeed because of their system. Whatever the case, they can do things that other places cant.
The browns need to show significant progress and quick and the newbies know it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 3:08pm
And here's sleeper logic..
The new crew has a year before people start blaming the new crew. Use this time to be bad and build the next NFL Dynasty through the draft. :thumbup:
The new crew has a year before people start blaming the new crew. Use this time to be bad and build the next NFL Dynasty through the draft. :thumbup:
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 20, 2013 3:11pm
Yeah,,,,,you have a point.
Stockpiling is great, but unless you have the right guys making the picks it doesnt matter.
The joke years ago when the Bengals turned down Ditka's potential trade of his whole allotment of picks for Ricky Williams was because their scouting dept was so bad they didnt know whom they wold draft with those extra picks
Stockpiling is great, but unless you have the right guys making the picks it doesnt matter.
The joke years ago when the Bengals turned down Ditka's potential trade of his whole allotment of picks for Ricky Williams was because their scouting dept was so bad they didnt know whom they wold draft with those extra picks
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Mar 20, 2013 3:58pm
With no superstars in this draft, nobody is going to give up a 2nd, 4th, and 1st to move up 5 spots, and they're sure as hell not going to give up a 2nd, 3rd, 1st('14), and 2nd('14) to get a mid-1st pick. Delusional thinking if you truly believe it's possible.sleeper;1410019 wrote:You trade twice. Go from #6 to #10-12 for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 4th rounder in 2013 and a first in 2014. Then go from #10-12 to completely out for a 2nd rounder in 2013, 3rd rounder in 2013, a 1st in 2014 and a 2nd in 2014. I mean that's a hell of a lot of pieces to bring in for sacrificing 1 pick. In 2014, we'd have 3 first rounders, and 2 2nd rounders; that's 5 impact players in one year. EZ.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 20, 2013 3:59pm
Pick6;1410006 wrote:to be honest, im tired of "next year" and always trading down. Wouldnt be opposed if it were only a few spots, such as 6 to 10-12. The new regime needs to get good players, and now; or else Shook's quote is spot on.[/QUOTE]
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Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 20, 2013 4:19pm
I'll trade Lombardi for a 7th... Any takers?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 20, 2013 4:22pm
Just using basic draft metrics. The cowboys moved up from #14 to #6 last year and received a first and a second. So yeah, instead of that, swap in a 2nd pick. If the Browns are trading completely out of the 1st, it's not unfathomable to ask for a first, second, and second next year. Grow up! :thumbup:se-alum;1410058 wrote:With no superstars in this draft, nobody is going to give up a 2nd, 4th, and 1st to move up 5 spots, and they're sure as hell not going to give up a 2nd, 3rd, 1st('14), and 2nd('14) to get a mid-1st pick. Delusional thinking if you truly believe it's possible.