karen lotz;1270107 wrote:Do you have inside info saying Florida state was the only school of interest for the big 12? Google.com or pay attention when the stuff was talked about.

Did I say save or stabilize? I don't remember. The $50 million exit fee I mentioned that was just put into effect yesterday along with ND's partnership definitely stabilized the conference.

you said the acc was on the verge of falling apart. i guess you forgot about the addition of pitt and syracuse. then you stated the fsu , miami , va tech were thinking about bolting. that wasnt true. then you changed that to fsu ,miami,clemson . when in fact the only team looking into leaving was fsu. i guess you have to throw in couple more teams to make your post about the acc falling apart look like it holds water. then you question if i have inside info. apparently you have no info what so ever. but you never did address the question i asked earlier. didnt the notre dame AD blast pitt for joining the acc? at least pitt brought their football team with them.

KnightRyder;1270214 wrote:you said the acc was on the verge of falling apart. i guess you forgot about the addition of pitt and syracuse. then you stated the fsu , miami , va tech were thinking about bolting. that wasnt true. then you changed that to fsu ,miami,clemson . when in fact the only team looking into leaving was fsu. i guess you have to throw in couple more teams to make your post about the acc falling apart look like it holds water. then you question if i have inside info. apparently you have no info what so ever. but you never did address the question i asked earlier. didnt the notre dame AD blast pitt for joining the acc? at least pitt brought their football team with them.

you must be slow. I originally included virginia tech in the 3 teams rumored as expansion targets, I even said at the time that I thought it was those 3. After I was able to spend 3 seconds searching google, I saw that it wasn't VaTech, but Clemson that was included with a vocal Florida State and Miami in the group that was on some level being discussed as moving to the Big XII. If those 3 teams left the ACC, it would have fallen apart as a football conference, which is what I was referring to. I'd love to hear your inside info about Clemson and Miami NOT talking about leaving the ACC. How would you even come across such info if there were no talks?

I'm not sure what Swarbrick said about Pitt leaving. I do know that Pitt and Syracuse leaving the Big East made that conference even worse in the eyes of the power brokers of college football, so I can understand if Swarbrick was unhappy. That move and the uncertainty of the future of the Big East more than likely played a large role in Notre Dame leaving, wouldn't you think?

edit: it just took me 4 seconds to find that Virginia Tech flirted briefly with the SEC. Sorry I didn't recall exactly where they were rumored to be looking. I bet those talks didn't happen at all either though.

karen lotz;1269362 wrote:For every one saying the ACC is bending over, what exactly about the deal is bad for the conference? I haven't seen any examples about what is so horrible outside of possibly ND getting picked for a bowl ahead of another team.

You hit on the point that would bother me - ND could schedule any five teams, then take the BCS bid from the other members who took on whatever teams the league schedule dictated.

If that takes place, does anyone know how ND would have to handle the ACC's pooling of bowl game revenue? Or do they get to keep it for themselves?

Cat Food Flambe';1270374 wrote:You hit on the point that would bother me - ND could schedule any five teams, then take the BCS bid from the other members who took on whatever teams the league schedule dictated.

If that takes place, does anyone know how ND would have to handle the ACC's pooling of bowl game revenue? Or do they get to keep it for themselves?

ND doesn't get to "pick" whatever 5 ACC teams they want to play each season. It's been stated that they will play all of the teams in the ACC over the course of their first 3 years of this deal. So, there is some sort of rotation that will be going on.

Cat Food Flambe';1270374 wrote:You hit on the point that would bother me - ND could schedule any five teams, then take the BCS bid from the other members who took on whatever teams the league schedule dictated.

If that takes place, does anyone know how ND would have to handle the ACC's pooling of bowl game revenue? Or do they get to keep it for themselves?

I agree that could possibly be an issue, but they aren't going to schedule the 5 weakest teams every year. Every team will play Notre Dame over a three year period.

As to the question about bowl money, i know they talked about it yesterday and I THINK Swofford said Notre Dame would not split bowl money with the conference and vice versa. He did say football TV revenue would stay in the conference and ND would keep their NBC money for home games.

karen lotz;1270237 wrote:you must be slow. I originally included virginia tech in the 3 teams rumored as expansion targets, I even said at the time that I thought it was those 3. After I was able to spend 3 seconds searching google, I saw that it wasn't VaTech, but Clemson that was included with a vocal Florida State and Miami in the group that was on some level being discussed as moving to the Big XII. If those 3 teams left the ACC, it would have fallen apart as a football conference, which is what I was referring to. I'd love to hear your inside info about Clemson and Miami NOT talking about leaving the ACC. How would you even come across such info if there were no talks?

I'm not sure what Swarbrick said about Pitt leaving. I do know that Pitt and Syracuse leaving the Big East made that conference even worse in the eyes of the power brokers of college football, so I can understand if Swarbrick was unhappy. That move and the uncertainty of the future of the Big East more than likely played a large role in Notre Dame leaving, wouldn't you think?

edit: it just took me 4 seconds to find that Virginia Tech flirted briefly with the SEC. Sorry I didn't recall exactly where they were rumored to be looking. I bet those talks didn't happen at all either though.

i came across that info from a clemson scout. furthermore you make it sound like ND came in and saved the day for the acc. the conference was very stable at the time ND jumped in. if you want to know what Swarbrick said about Pitt leaving. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/ron-cook/notre-dame-ad-rips-pitt-hierarchy-for-protecting-its-own-interests-316062/?print=1 be warned it shows ND's hypocritical nature

KnightRyder;1270409 wrote:i came across that info from a clemson scout. uirthermore you make it sound like ND came in and saved the day for the acc. the conference was very stable at the time ND jumped in. if you want to know what Swarbrick said about Pitt leaving. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/ron-cook/notre-dame-ad-rips-pitt-hierarchy-for-protecting-its-own-interests-316062/?print=1 be warned it shows ND's hypocritical nature

While I will agree that is hypocritical on Swarbrick's part....I think it is worth pointing out that prior to Pitt and Syracuse jumping ship....the Big East didn't look THAT bad as a conference. Once those two bolted....well, it became pretty evident that the conference was destined to become a shell of it's former self.

KnightRyder;1270409 wrote:i came across that info from a clemson scout. furthermore you make it sound like ND came in and saved the day for the acc. the conference was very stable at the time ND jumped in. if you want to know what Swarbrick said about Pitt leaving. http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/ron-cook/notre-dame-ad-rips-pitt-hierarchy-for-protecting-its-own-interests-316062/?print=1 be warned it shows ND's hypocritical nature

Thanks for the link. I didn't say they saved the day, did I? $50 million exit fee makes it almost impossible for any conference team to leave. Stability. Notre Dame makes the conference stronger whether you want to accept it or not. No more expansion talk. Notre Dame didn't save the acc, but it also didn't weaken or bend the conference over.

A Clemson scout? As in an assistant coach? Haha.

karen lotz;1270416 wrote:Thanks for the link. I didn't say they saved the day, did I? $50 million exit fee makes it almost impossible for any conference team to leave. Stability. Notre Dame makes the conference stronger whether you want to accept it or not. No more expansion talk. Notre Dame didn't save the acc, but it also didn't weaken or bend the conference over.

A Clemson scout? As in an assistant coach? Haha.

i would like to know how ND makes the conference stronger from a football stand point. this thread shouldnt even be on the football forum being that notre dame didnt join in football. once again notre dame looking out for themselves. exactly what they blasted pitt for.

KnightRyder;1270421 wrote:i would like to know how ND makes the conference stronger from a football stand point. this thread shouldnt even be on the football forum being that notre dame didnt join in football. once again notre dame looking out for themselves. exactly what they blasted pitt for.

Buttburt.

karen lotz;1270436 wrote:Buttburt.

But yet he's not a Florida st fan lmao

Crimson streak;1270583 wrote:But yet he's not a Florida st fan lmao

touche' :laugh:

karen lotz;1270416 wrote:Thanks for the link. I didn't say they saved the day, did I? $50 million exit fee makes it almost impossible for any conference team to leave. Stability. Notre Dame makes the conference stronger whether you want to accept it or not. No more expansion talk. Notre Dame didn't save the acc, but it also didn't weaken or bend the conference over.

A Clemson scout? As in an assistant coach? Haha.

does it make the conference stronger because you say so? a clemson scout, someone that works in the scouting department. did i say coach?

KnightRyder;1270707 wrote:does it make the conference stronger because you say so? a clemson scout, someone that works in the scouting department. did i say coach?

No not because I say so. Read an article or listen to anyone from the acc (or anyone else that has a clue) talk about it. You are incredibly dense.

Which scouting department are you talking about? Clemson has people scout opponents? The coaching staff doesn't do that from game film like every other program in America?

karen lotz;1270725 wrote:No not because I say so. Read an article or listen to anyone from the acc (or anyone else that has a clue) talk about it. .You are incredibly dense

Which scouting department are you talking about? Clemson has people scout opponents? The coaching staff doesn't do that from game film like every other program in America?

Clemson has people scout high school players , i know its a approach you cant wrap your mind around.You are beyond incredibly dense

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8392440/atlantic-coast-conference-working-deal-orange-bowl


Should make WebFire happy.

Why would you pit the ACC champion against ND of all teams? WTF?