Pick6;1268881 wrote:Look at Notre Dame's BCS results.

reps.

I won't actually give my opinion on the topic since it will be deemed trolling and I will be thread banned. That is how the OC works.

karen lotz;1268927 wrote:I'm not upset at all. Neither is the ACC. If they didn't benefit greatly from the new arrangement, they wouldn't have gone through with it. Stabilizes the conference, gives them a national brand to help promote the conference, and will bring in more money through TV revenue. It really isn't difficult to understand.

So is football sharing their TV revenue with the ACC? If not, how is the ACC going to see more revenue?

WebFire;1268940 wrote:So is football sharing their TV revenue with the ACC? If not, how is the ACC going to see more revenue?

Swofford said they are already in talks with ESPN about their deal. Games played at acc teams will be carried on ESPN. Couple of people said there would be a 2-3 million increase per school per year with ND associated with the conference. Bowl negotiations are also coming up after this season or next, ND will make the acc more attractive to bowls. More $$ for the conference.

karen lotz;1268889 wrote:your opinion isn't shared by anyone else. interesting.

do you think i care,and didnt notre dame criticze pitt for leaving the big east and joining the acc?

Notre dame would have joined the B1G but they said all or nothing. I honestly like the move. Nd fits in pretty good with the academics of the acc and basketball wise it doesn't get any better. I think in the future nd will join the acc in football and this was a step towards that.

It was a good move by ND. The ACC got bent over, though.

Pick6;1269029 wrote:It was a good move by ND. The ACC got bent over, though.

without a doubt they got bent over and dry runned

I don't know, guys, seems like a win-win to me :thumbup:

Honestly, every analyst that I've seen talk about this move today said it was a great move for both parties. Trevor Matich (College Football Live) said that it was a good deal for ND and a great deal for the ACC. Not saying that if they said it then it must be true. Just pointing out that some think it's a pretty good deal for both and some think it's even better for the ACC.

People are obviously gonna say what they want about it but I'm not sure why some blame ND for getting a good deal. The ACC stands to gain something from this partnership and if they were willing to make the deal then ND would be foolish not to take advantage of the offer.

vball10set;1269037 wrote:I don't know, guys, seems like a win-win to me :thumbup:

While I'm not thrilled with the move for reasons I stated earlier...I tend to agree with you.

I think sleeper wrote the title on the front page of ESPN. "Fighting to be relevant."

Here's a semi-historical perspective from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8370141/college-football-notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-maintains-independence-move-acc-name-only

killer_ewok;1269040 wrote:Honestly, every analyst that I've seen talk about this move today said it was a great move for both parties. Trevor Matich (College Football Live) said that it was a good deal for ND and a great deal for the ACC. Not saying that if they said it then it must be true. Just pointing out that some think it's a pretty good deal for both and some think it's even better for the ACC.

People are obviously gonna say what they want about it but I'm not sure why some blame ND for getting a good deal. The ACC stands to gain something from this partnership and if they were willing to make the deal then ND would be foolish not to take advantage of the offer.

I think the ACC took a huge gamble, personally. I think that they are banking on 1) ND ending up joining in all sports and 2) ND becoming what they once were in football again.

Fly4Fun;1269104 wrote:I think sleeper wrote the title on the front page of ESPN. "Fighting to be relevant."

Here's a semi-historical perspective from ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8370141/college-football-notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-maintains-independence-move-acc-name-only

C'mon..all sleeper does is troll, but ESPN agrees with him.

Pick6;1269029 wrote:It was a good move by ND. The ACC got bent over, though.

Three ACC was on the verge of falling apart. They will get better tv revenue andbetter bowl compensation. They didn't get bent over at all. Read what the experts say about it.

Here's my take on the ACC making considerations (and why I'm glad the B1G did not)...

What do the two BCS conferences (Big 12 and Big East) that were falling apart have in common? They had members with preferred status within the conference. Big 12 bowed down to Texas while the Big East made an exception for ND (not having to play football). Both exceptions were so the school in question had a financial advantage over the other members.

To me it doesn't seem like this arrangement will be good for the conference overall unless ND eventually becomes a full time member.

But it's still entirely possible it does work out as is.

Pick6;1269127 wrote:I think the ACC took a huge gamble, personally. I think that they are banking on 1) ND ending up joining in all sports and 2) ND becoming what they once were in football again.


C'mon..all sleeper does is troll, but ESPN agrees with him.

I never said that all Sleeper does is troll. But I think reasonable people can agree that there is a difference between criticizing and trolling. It's more a less a difference in degree with factors such as repetition, tone in deliverance of the message, and lack of positive things to say.

If you wanted to actually have a discussion with a person in real life would you just repeat the same negative thing in different ways while occasionally insulting the person? Do you think that would be a productive conversation?

What I want to have a discussion I usually do it in a manner that is respectful of the other person, willing to acknowledge good counter points, and I won't repeat the same thing over and over again as I assume the person I am talking to heard me the first or second time.

Pick6;1269127 wrote:C'mon..all sleeper does is troll, but ESPN agrees with him.

lol, so you agree with all of the headlines ESPN uses?? They do that to sucker people like you in to clicking on their stories.

here is another story/headline for pick6

"Relevant? ACC jump ultimate proof that Notre Dame still matters"


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_rosenberg/09/12/notre-dame-acc/index.html?eref=sircrc

It's a good move for ND - I don't blame them. I still can't believe that the ACC was willing to bend over and spread the cheeks that far apart on the chance that ND -might- provide a jar of Vaseline in a few years.

I suppose it's a defensive move on the conference - with the Big East all but dead in terms of national significance, the ACC is the next to fall if the other four conferences ever go to 16-team super conferences.

For every one saying the ACC is bending over, what exactly about the deal is bad for the conference? I haven't seen any examples about what is so horrible outside of possibly ND getting picked for a bowl ahead of another team. Are there any real arguments or are you just going with the regular I hate Notre Dame so they must be screwing someone over theory? For as bad as a lot of you are saying it is, there sure isn't much to back it up.

I hate Notre Dame so they must be screwing someone.

WebFire;1269364 wrote:I hate Notre Dame so they must be screwing someone.

No examples of ACC bending over? Got it.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere on here, but I believe the ACC also upped its buyout to 50 million dollars. SO I don't see anyone leaving the conference any time soon. To me that's the bigger story here. There was quite a bit of chatter that the Big 12 and SEC may attempt to raid the ACC for FSU, Clemson, VaTech, and possibly a North Carolina school. Now I don't see the SEC getting anyone within its foot print. Which leaves the Big 12. I can see only 3 potential Candidates for joining the Big 12 that add a decent sports program and a decent media market.

Louisville, BYU, and Cincinnati.

karen lotz;1269362 wrote:For every one saying the ACC is bending over, what exactly about the deal is bad for the conference? I haven't seen any examples about what is so horrible outside of possibly ND getting picked for a bowl ahead of another team. Are there any real arguments or are you just going with the regular I hate Notre Dame so they must be screwing someone over theory? For as bad as a lot of you are saying it is, there sure isn't much to back it up.

since I have some time now, I'll bite. First off, not sure how our "hate" for Notre Dame is shown by saying the ACC "bent over" for them. I think a lot of us have said its a good move for Notre Dame. Earlier you said the ACC is on the verge of falling apart. Who left, or am I missing something? Because Syracuse and Pitt are joining. I can only assume and hope you meant the Big East. I think the ACC got "bent over" by letting Notre Dame have their cake and eat it too.They are essentially doing the same thing that they did in the Big East, by not joining in football. They are also more than likely going to take the spot of another ACC team in a bowl game, or even BCS bowl. We all know the love poll voters have for ND. If I were a current member, I would be pissed at whoever let this happen. They should have been forced to join in all sports. Im glad the B1G didnt let this happen.

I said it before, the ACC is only doing this because they are banking on ND eventually joining in all sports. They are also banking on ND returning to their old form of being a powerhouse program, but even if not, it is still a solid add for the conference.

To sum it up, I think they (ACC) 1) Didnt have a strong enough backbone in the situation 2) Threw their current members under the bus for a potentially high reward. They look desperate in the situation by essentially giving ND the same situation the Big East did.

Would have liked to see Notre Dame in the B1G, but at least we won't have to hear that will they or won't they BS anymore. As for ND fitting in the ACC, I don't see it, but they do have name recognition and a huge nationwide fanbase, so I guess from a financial basis (which is really all that matters) it will work.