isadore;1227392 wrote:oh gosh the great horror of what happened to SMU, one of the great atrocities of our time happened to those poor mustangs. What happened at Penn State is so beyond that as to make any comparison ridiculous. who cares what the long term results were, on the absolute scale of life they were no big deal.

My god are you that dumb? Never compared to SMU. I stated and used SMU because the NCAA themselves said they'd probably never level that penalty again after they did with SMU again read!! It was not a comparison.

I think isadore has had too much Dimetapp. In the state of Missouri, when mixed into a drink it is known as a Slip-N-Slide.

reclegend22;1227393 wrote:First off, of course Louis Freeh is more qualified than I am as an investigator. But that doesn't make his grand assumptions any more correct. The context of the emails, without any word from Spanier, Schultz or Curley, just isn't there. Not enough to pinpoint Paterno as conspirator. It's just not. That's where my issue with the Freeh Report stands.

Also, my argument is solely based off the idea that Paterno was telling the truth, that he didn't know about the investigation in '98. There is enough reasonable room for doubt in the report that Paterno might have been telling the truth. The emails are just too vague to determine in what context they were really made.

Gosh a ruddies mr. freeh has analyzed and drawn conclusions on many more criminal conspiracies than you have. it is of course your right to be a paterno apologist and give him a free pass against overwhelming evidence. But for the American people has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. And his program should be shut down.

Fab1b;1227400 wrote:My god are you that dumb? Never compared to SMU. I stated and used SMU because the NCAA themselves said they'd probably never level that penalty again after they did with SMU again read!! It was not a comparison.

gosh a ruddies, you saw it 30/30. And based on the horribleness of that experience they would never do it again. Of course that was before a Football program was so enmeshed in Child rape. While you might consider it too harsh for the nittany lions, maybe not the NCAA.

mcburg93;1227398 wrote:I swear this "gosh a ruddies" **** needs to be done with. I dont think Penn St. will get the death penalty either. I think they will face some severe penalties and well deserved. I dont think we will ever see the DP again in our lifetimes.

not even for facilitating child rape, wow.

reclegend22 wrote: I bet if you polled the victims, most would not want the state of Pennsylvania to lose its pride and joy, the football team that calls Beaver Stadium home, over one man's horrific actions

Yes the joy and pride in action.
“The child's identity spread rapidly through the community, the psychologist said, making him and his mother the target of harassment — and ultimately threats of harm — by locals upset that Sandusky had been dismissed from the school.
School officials did not respond to requests for comment.
From his initial meetings with the boy, Gillum said, it became clear, based on the victim's fear and the community's anger, that extraordinary steps were needed to protect him and his mother.
"We started putting a (witness) relocation plan together almost from the first week," Gillum said, adding that an undisclosed sum of county money was dedicated to the effort.
“

Well you killed the thread done with your tired act enjoy

Fab1b;1227411 wrote:Well you killed the thread done with your tired act enjoy

reps

isadore;1227410 wrote:Yes the joy and pride in action.
“The child's identity spread rapidly through the community, the psychologist said, making him and his mother the target of harassment — and ultimately threats of harm — by locals upset that Sandusky had been dismissed from the school.
School officials did not respond to requests for comment.
From his initial meetings with the boy, Gillum said, it became clear, based on the victim's fear and the community's anger, that extraordinary steps were needed to protect him and his mother.
"We started putting a (witness) relocation plan together almost from the first week," Gillum said, adding that an undisclosed sum of county money was dedicated to the effort.
“

This proves perfectly why I believe that nothing good could come from banning football at Penn State. It will not only do nothing to pay the victims back for what Sandusky did to them, but it could also send them deeper into a private hell where they don't want to be part of the Pennsylvania community for fear that they are partly (albeit wrongly) to blame for the millions and millions who will have lost their football team. To say that this isn't a possibility is to not face reality. Even if that reality is sick.

Fab1b;1227411 wrote:Well you killed the thread done with your tired act enjoy

elsewhere with your continuing effort to oppose the PSU death penalty

reclegend22;1227419 wrote:This proves perfectly why I believe that nothing good could come from banning football at Penn State. It will not only do nothing to pay the victims back for what Sandusky did to them, but it could also send them deeper into a private hell where they don't want to be part of the Pennsylvania community for fear that they are partly (albeit wrongly) to blame for the millions and millions who will have lost their football team. To say that this isn't a possibility is to not face reality. Even if that reality is sick.

Gosh an endorsement of appeasement of evil. Gosh if these folks had had their way Sandusky would still be roaming the halls of the PSU athletic facilities with his victims. Because it made these people unhappy that someone would try to take away their joy and pride in the PSU football program. Why gosh intimidate victims and you get your football program, Well better for the world that this behavior not be rewarded and the program be shut down.

isadore;1227430 wrote:Gosh an endorsement of appeasement of evil. Gosh if these folks had had their way Sandusky would still be roaming the halls of the PSU athletic facilities with his victims. Because it made these people unhappy that someone would try to take away their joy and pride in the PSU football program. Why gosh intimidate victims and you get your football program, Well better for the world that this behavior not be rewarded and the program be shut down.

The incident of the kid who was hazed by his schoolmates for being "Sanduskeyed" is all you need to know. There are sick people in this world. It's that very reason why many young boys never come forward with their stories of sexual abuse, because the shame, guilt and humiliation associated with being violated in that manner by an adult male is often too much to bear. With that in mind, it is not too unreasonable to assume that the victims in this case might not want to feel like they were part of why Penn State no longer plays football. Seriously, how would that make them feel any better?

That said, I truly doubt the victims care about the program at all anymore, to be honest. The people of the past are now gone, and, in this case, that is what matters.

reclegend22;1227445 wrote:The incident of the kid who was hazed by his schoolmates for being "Sanduskeyed" is all you need to know. There are sick people in this world. It's that very reason why many young boys never come forward with their stories of sexual abuse, because the shame, guilt and humiliation associated with being violated in that manner by an adult male is often too much to bear. With that in mind, it is not too unreasonable to assume that the victims in this case might not want to feel like they were part of why Penn State no longer plays football. Seriously, how would that make them feel any better?

That said, I truly doubt the victims care about the program at all anymore, to be honest. The people of the past are now gone, and, in this case, that is what matters.

What I quoted was from the experience of Jerry Sandusky victim no. 1. He was harassed y the community when after coming forward. If we follow your argument it would have been best if he remained silent, The community would not have been stirred up. And they could continue to take joy and pride in their team. Gosh no one should bring any charge or take any action against popular institutions or people because it will anger people no matter how horrendous the act, you know like raping boys.
The sex crimes and the conspiracy to cover it up are all intimately tied to Penn State Football. One of its legends was the perpetrator. He used the programs facilities to attack children. His acts were covered up by the head of the Football program and the school administration. By doing this they insured revenue and recruits for the program. Shut it down.

isadore wrote:He was harassed y the community when after coming forward. If we follow your argument it would have been best if he remained silent, The community would not have been stirred up. And they could continue to take joy and pride in their team. Gosh no one should bring any charge or take any action against popular institutions or people because it will anger people no matter how horrendous the act, you know like raping boys.

That is clearly not what I meant. We will disagree to agree.

you are arguing not to take action because of fear of evil reaction by supporters of the Penn State Football Program.

isadore;1227478 wrote:you are arguing not to take action because of fear of evil reaction by supporters of the Penn State Football Program.

No. I am arguing that no good would come from shutting the program in its current state down. The molester is in prison and the others in charge at the time of the crimes have had their careers stripped and face serious legal action that could result in years in a federal penitentiary.

The NCAA should just stay out of it. This is for the cops to handle. Again, this is my opinion and not yours. We got it.

reclegend22;1227485 wrote:No. I am arguing that no good would come from shutting the program in its current state down. The molester is in prison and the others in charge at the time of the crimes have had their careers stripped and face serious legal action that could result in years in a federal penitentiary.

The NCAA should just stay out of it. This is for the cops to handle. Again, this is my opinion and not yours. We got it.

gosh you were arguing above in terms of protecting victims from evil psu fans. and rewarding these evil fans by letting the program continue without ncaa punishment.
the football program was integral to allowing this predator access to the boys, and in allowing him to continue his crime for at least a decade and a half.

I know I stated my opinion earlier PSU deserves the DP for a year or two. Children were raped. To call it sexual assault lessens the severity of what happened. It appears there was a cover up. I don't know what sort of evidence or legal document will suffice, but children were raped. Witnesses saw at least one rape. Sandusky was given access and privileges after this happened. PSU and the community will survive a short term DP. In my opinion sanctions are fitting for NCAA violations (tags, paid jobs for no work, $200 handshakes, big donations to a church...). The institutional cover up of a child rapist goes beyond mere NCAA violations. On principle alone, schools should refuse to play PSU. I would stand up and cheer for any school that refused to take the field against PSU.

ccrunner609;1227487 wrote:PSU should suffer the harshest of penalties. What that is cant be easy to say. It has to be worse then bowl bans and less scholarships. This isnt tattoo gate or a Reggie Bush taking money from boosters issue. THis isnt players getting cars and gifts. This is raping little boys and letting it happen. The football program and the $ it generates was the reason why it was covered up. The football program should get the penalty.

I think the football program should get the worst penalty that has ever been given by the NCAA. Right now that is the SMU death penalty. This was one full year and a partial year. I think a 2 year ban on football activities should and would be fair.

the acts are so far beyond any infraction ever. gosh and some act like the smu death penalty is cruel and unusual. Wow on the ultimate scale of things it is not much.

mella;1227499 wrote:I know I stated my opinion earlier PSU deserves the DP for a year or two. Children were raped. To call it sexual assault lessens the severity of what happened. It appears there was a cover up. I don't know what sort of evidence or legal document will suffice, but children were raped. Witnesses saw at least one rape. Sandusky was given access and privileges after this happened. PSU and the community will survive a short term DP. In my opinion sanctions are fitting for NCAA violations (tags, paid jobs for no work, $200 handshakes, big donations to a church...). The institutional cover up of a child rapist goes beyond mere NCAA violations. On principle alone, schools should refuse to play PSU. I would stand up and cheer for any school that refused to take the field against PSU.

it is so beyond any infraction ever.

You are a fucking broken record isadore and spin peoples takes on this like no other!! Never once was the action of PSU compared to the action of SMU. Again you fucking dope REEEEAAAAADDDDD!!!!

Go ahead and report is as well fine with me troll!

isadore;1227504 wrote:it is so beyond any infraction ever.

Yes, that is what I said.

isadore;1227497 wrote:gosh you were arguing above in terms of protecting victims from evil psu fans. and rewarding these evil fans by letting the program continue without ncaa punishment.
the football program was integral to allowing this predator access to the boys, and in allowing him to continue his crime for at least a decade and a half.

Nope. Just stating that I personally don't think the victims, on top of everything else they've suffered through, necessarily want or crave to see Penn State and all of the people who had nothing to do with the scandal lose the football program. They probably just want to be done with it and focus on ensuring that those directly responsible (including Paterno, if we eventually are able to find out for a fact that he authorized a coverup) pay for their inactions.

If the NCAA does wipe the program away, then so be it. I could understand that as well.

Fab1b;1227505 wrote:You are a ****ing broken record isadore and spin peoples takes on this like no other!! Never once was the action of PSU compared to the action of SMU. Again you ****ing dope REEEEAAAAADDDDD!!!!

Go ahead and report is as well fine with me troll!

say what you like
Gosh a ruddies what do we think of first and who do we think of last.

Fab1b wrote: 1. Football pays the bills at these schools like it or not, taking football away kills most if not all the remaining athletics that had no involvement in this.
2. Not fair to current/former players/current/former coaches who had no knowledge or involvement.
3. Not fair to the alumni and current/former students who paid $$$$$$ to attend PSU and support their athletics.
4. Not fair to the Big Ten
5. Not fair to all the future teams that have already have a scheduled game with PSU along with TV contracts.
6. I don't think this is what the victims would want, they want those responsible to pay that is happening.

Gosh a ruddies I am sure the victims really want to see the program be protected. After all their rapist was a hero of the program. Their head coach pushed the cover up that allowed more of the victims to be raped.

isadore;1227525 wrote:say what you like
Gosh a ruddies what do we think of first and who do we think of last.

Gosh a ruddies I am sure the victims really want to see the program be protected. After all their rapist was a hero of the program. Their head coach pushed the cover up that allowed more of the victims to be raped.

Obvious troll is obvious