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We need bullies! The future of our country, and the NFL depend on them.

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May 16, 2012 7:47 AM
I Wear Pants;1172199 wrote:It amazes me that some people act like bullying isn't a problem or is only a problem because kids are "pussies".
what's changed in bullying in the past 5 years where people suddenly care? why wasnt bullying a problem when you and me where in school?
May 16, 2012 7:47am
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May 16, 2012 8:08 AM
Glory Days;1172643 wrote:what's changed in bullying in the past 5 years where people suddenly care? why wasnt bullying a problem when you and me where in school?
I think it's the cyber bullying that has brought this to the forefront, and the related suicides that have been given greater attention because of this media. It's always been around, it's just that many more hear about it now.
May 16, 2012 8:08am
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May 16, 2012 8:11 AM
The reason schools spend so much time, and use so many resources on anti-bullying is b/c they don't want to be the next one to have a teen-suicide b/c of bullying. Don't get me wrong, it is needed, but that is why you see the exhaustive effort.
May 16, 2012 8:11am
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May 16, 2012 8:56 AM
vball10set;1172656 wrote:I think it's the cyber bullying that has brought this to the forefront, and the related suicides that have been given greater attention because of this media. It's always been around, it's just that many more hear about it now.
kids are still going to commit suicide. whether its their gf breaking up with them, having the worst grades in their class or getting made fun of, it wont matter.
May 16, 2012 8:56am
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May 16, 2012 9:18 AM
Glory Days;1172715 wrote:kids are still going to commit suicide. whether its their gf breaking up with them, having the worst grades in their class or getting made fun of, it wont matter.
Ahh yes the classic "it's going to happen anyway, why even try" argument. Next time don't use logic fallacies as your opinion, it doesn't tend to hold up well under scrutiny.

Even if what you say is true, are you saying that it's not worth it to try and save the life of a bullied child/teen? I mean, what would be the point, SOMETHING will make them blow their brains out, right? Nice opinion you've got there.
May 16, 2012 9:18am
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May 16, 2012 9:44 AM
Mooney: I'm not totally disagreeing with the above post - in fact, I have enjoyed everything so far - but at what point is overkill?

As I mentined earlier... the issue, IMO, seems to be "front-page" for my kids elementary school. Around every corner, on every wall, in every classroom, asseblies, counselors, etc. It seems like it is getting to a point where we are going so far the other way, that kids will be afraid to say anything out of fear that they will offend/tease someone, and thus, lead to repression of feelings, thoughts, emotions, etc.

But again, I recognize my role as a father, and do my best to live up to that role.
May 16, 2012 9:44am
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May 16, 2012 9:47 AM
Glory Days;1172715 wrote:kids are still going to commit suicide. whether its their gf breaking up with them, having the worst grades in their class or getting made fun of, it wont matter.
I understand that, but my point was the exposure that these suicides receive are far greater than it was merely a decade ago, so the whole bullying thing is magnified.
May 16, 2012 9:47am
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May 16, 2012 9:49 AM
Mooney44Cards;1172748 wrote:Ahh yes the classic "it's going to happen anyway, why even try" argument. Next time don't use logic fallacies as your opinion, it doesn't tend to hold up well under scrutiny.

Even if what you say is true, are you saying that it's not worth it to try and save the life of a bullied child/teen? I mean, what would be the point, SOMETHING will make them blow their brains out, right? Nice opinion you've got there.
......works for the anti drug war crowd....
May 16, 2012 9:49am
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May 16, 2012 9:51 AM
vball10set;1172787 wrote:I understand that, but my point was the exposure that these suicides receive are far greater than it was merely a decade ago, so the whole bullying thing is magnified.
i understand that, which is why i think bullying really isnt a huge issue like its made out to be.

on a side note, i think south park did a great job with their "bullying" episode.
May 16, 2012 9:51am
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May 16, 2012 9:51 AM
I can't answer the question of "at what point is it overkill?". I wish I knew. But I'd rather be talking about it too much than not enough.

Obviously there is a middle ground between not giving a shit about kids that are bullied, and coddling them. It is up to the adults and parents in every situation to teach kids what is ok and what isn't. Therein lies the problem, a lot of parents don't know or don't care or think bullied kids are pussies or whatever.

This issue SHOULD be front and center until the stubborn adults get it into their heads that this is a problem, not some whiney new issue-of-the-day. And for those parents that are tired of hearing about it, in the immortal words of Steve Perry, who's crying now?
May 16, 2012 9:51am
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May 16, 2012 9:52 AM
Glory Days;1172789 wrote:......works for the anti drug war crowd....
Nice response after getting called out on your nonsensical opinion.
May 16, 2012 9:52am
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May 16, 2012 10:06 AM
Mooney44Cards;1172796 wrote:... in the immortal words of Steve Perry, who's crying now?
Now that's just not right. :D ;) :D
May 16, 2012 10:06am
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May 16, 2012 10:18 AM
Glory Days;1172795 wrote:i understand that, which is why i think bullying really isnt a huge issue like its made out to be.
It appears we're on the same page.
May 16, 2012 10:18am
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May 16, 2012 10:25 AM
Even if bullying isn't as big of an issue as it's made out to be (it may or may not be, there's really not a great way to quantify this), what is the harm in "overkill" when it comes to trying to solve the problem. If we talk about it too much are kids still going to die?

I'm genuinely curious. Those who believe it is being blown out of proportion, what do you suggest, not talking about it at all? Or just less? People really don't think bullying is the same as it's always been, do they? I mean in the 70's-80's could you really be humiliated in front of all your peers once you went home for the day? That happens with Facebook, text messaging, etc. In the "good old days" once you went home, the bullying was kind of done and over with until you went to school the next day.
May 16, 2012 10:25am
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May 16, 2012 10:29 AM
IMO, it needs to be addressed as it is now--through awareness and education.
May 16, 2012 10:29am
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May 16, 2012 10:31 AM
Mooney44Cards;1172869 wrote:Even if bullying isn't as big of an issue as it's made out to be (it may or may not be, there's really not a great way to quantify this), what is the harm in "overkill" when it comes to trying to solve the problem. If we talk about it too much are kids still going to die?

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May 16, 2012 10:31am
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May 16, 2012 3:40 PM
Mooney44Cards;1172869 wrote:Even if bullying isn't as big of an issue as it's made out to be (it may or may not be, there's really not a great way to quantify this), what is the harm in "overkill" when it comes to trying to solve the problem. If we talk about it too much are kids still going to die?

I'm genuinely curious. Those who believe it is being blown out of proportion, what do you suggest, not talking about it at all? Or just less? People really don't think bullying is the same as it's always been, do they? I mean in the 70's-80's could you really be humiliated in front of all your peers once you went home for the day? That happens with Facebook, text messaging, etc. In the "good old days" once you went home, the bullying was kind of done and over with until you went to school the next day.
yeah, when kids in the 70s/80s had more racial and sexual orientation tension/issues things were much easier :rolleyes:
May 16, 2012 3:40pm
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May 16, 2012 4:37 PM
Glory Days;1172715 wrote:kids are still going to commit suicide. whether its their gf breaking up with them, having the worst grades in their class or getting made fun of, it wont matter.
People are still going to commit crimes, whether there are laws against the actions, etc, etc, it won't matter.

Therefore you should be out of a job.

See how terrible that logic is?
May 16, 2012 4:37pm
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May 16, 2012 4:39 PM
Glory Days;1172789 wrote:......works for the anti drug war crowd....
No, statistics and reason work for the anti drug war crowd.
May 16, 2012 4:39pm
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May 16, 2012 7:18 PM
Glory Days;1173262 wrote:yeah, when kids in the 70s/80s had more racial and sexual orientation tension/issues things were much easier :rolleyes:
That's anecdotal, doesn't prove that bullying was the same/worse then. Even if you're right, it was a problem then, and it is a problem now. Perhaps you missed my post on the first page where I pointed out that "because its always been that way" is never a reason to ignore a societal problem.

Why are you such a crusader for this cause of not caring about bullying? What, to you, is so bad about stopping bullying that you're willing to throw out as many terrible logic fallacy based arguments as possible? If you don't think it's a problem, good for you, ignore it.
May 16, 2012 7:18pm
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May 16, 2012 8:19 PM
I Wear Pants;1173296 wrote:People are still going to commit crimes, whether there are laws against the actions, etc, etc, it won't matter.

Therefore you should be out of a job.

See how terrible that logic is?
haha yes i know, but its funny how that logic can apply sometimes, but not all the times.
I Wear Pants;1173298 wrote:No, statistics and reason work for the anti drug war crowd.
hahah what? you mean the statistics and reason that show you cant stop the drugs, might as well legalize it? thats about 99% of the arguments and you know it.

i mean, you actually think you are going to change human nature by trying to stop bullying? and what if statistics showed bullying(or atleast the effects of bullying such as suicides) isnt on the rise?
I Wear Pants;1173298 wrote:It's stupid how much money we waste on the "drug war" that even the people in charge of it say hasn't done anything to stop drug use.
I Wear Pants;1160086 wrote:Even if it's entirely false the drug war is still entirely ineffective, a waste of money, and promotes violence. Needs to end.
May 16, 2012 8:19pm
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May 16, 2012 8:49 PM
Glory Days;1173443 wrote:and what if statistics showed bullying(or atleast the effects of bullying such as suicides) isnt on the rise?
Who cares? It's still a problem that's never been dealt with. Time to deal with it.
May 16, 2012 8:49pm
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May 16, 2012 8:53 PM
Who deals with it is the question for me. Schools should enforce rules and parents should raise their children
May 16, 2012 8:53pm
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May 16, 2012 9:04 PM
Con_Alma;1173467 wrote:Who deals with it is the question for me. Schools should enforce rules and parents should raise their children
Yes in a perfect world this would be the case. Unfortunately there are tons of shitty teachers, shitty administrators, and shitty parents out there. And some of the shitty ones are unfortunately just clueless, others just have that "fuck you, got mine" attitude where they think the problem is overblown and then cry (oh the irony) about how they don't want to hear about it.
May 16, 2012 9:04pm
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May 16, 2012 9:06 PM
If people can't do their jobs put an effort into getting people in that can.

You are not going to replace poor parents. Losing battle.



Enforce the rules and let parents parent.
May 16, 2012 9:06pm