justincredible;1171594 wrote:There is no reason someone without kids can't have an opinion on raising kids. It might "not count" with you but that doesn't make it invalid.

Most people who actually have kids would disagree. And I used to react the same way as you both before I had kids when people w kids told me that. They'd say 'you have no idea' and they were right. Even though I thought I did.

Raw Dawgin' it;1171607 wrote:lol i'm guessing your kids are either bullied a lot or are the ****s with no self esteem who do the bullying.

It doesn't matter. You don't count.

Steel Valley Football;1171609 wrote:Most people who actually have kids would disagree. And I used to react the same way as you both before I had kids when people w kids told me that. They'd say 'you have no idea' and they were right. Even though I thought I did.

Is there something so outrageous with my opinion that makes it invalid?

Steel Valley Football;1171610 wrote:It doesn't matter. You don't count.

Aww were you bullied as a child? Did your mom not give you enough hugs or tell you she loved you when she wasn't dancing on the pole?

I'm surprised you haven't thrown in a "your mom" comment by now.

I think the "pussies need to suck it up" attitude reeks of "fuck you, got mine". People that say that generally back it up with anecdotes like "Well I was picked on in school and I got through just fine" which of course means that because YOU could do it, EVERYONE can.

Or there's the classic "bullying has been a thing for EVER! Why can't kids suddenly deal with it?" which is of course anecdotal and lacks any evidence. Not to mention the fact that "that's the way its always been" has never been a good reason to NOT solve a societal problem.

THEN we have the classic "There are much worse problems in the world" argument which again doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Problems are relative. What may be a big deal to you is not a big deal to someone else. Maybe to you, someone calling you fat or ugly or gay is nothing to feel bad over, let alone blow your brains out over. But for many kids, this is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to them, who are you to question their feelings? You think YOUR problems are bad? Oh you have cancer? Boo hoo, you live in the country with the greatest medical care in the world and you have a roof over your head and a warm meal on your table. Imagine having cancer in some third world country. See how that works? There are ALWAYS bigger problems.

Every kid is different. Every kid will handle bullying differently. Kids, by definition have not developed the coping skills to get through problems like this. Call me a pussy or post two consecutive capital q's (clever) to indicate that I am a big baby, but I'd rather stick up for kids who are being bullied. You and I have no right to judge. All we can do is try our best to raise our own kids in the best way possible. In the meantime, let's not be bully apologists.

Devils Advocate;1171592 wrote:I agree. Your two posts were worthless.

But, not full of unnecessary commas; like yours.

Mooney44Cards;1171631 wrote:I think the "pussies need to suck it up" attitude reeks of "fuck you, got mine". People that say that generally back it up with anecdotes like "Well I was picked on in school and I got through just fine" which of course means that because YOU could do it, EVERYONE can.

Or there's the classic "bullying has been a thing for EVER! Why can't kids suddenly deal with it?" which is of course anecdotal and lacks any evidence. Not to mention the fact that "that's the way its always been" has never been a good reason to NOT solve a societal problem.

THEN we have the classic "There are much worse problems in the world" argument which again doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Problems are relative. What may be a big deal to you is not a big deal to someone else. Maybe to you, someone calling you fat or ugly or gay is nothing to feel bad over, let alone blow your brains out over. But for many kids, this is literally the worst thing that has ever happened to them, who are you to question their feelings? You think YOUR problems are bad? Oh you have cancer? Boo hoo, you live in the country with the greatest medical care in the world and you have a roof over your head and a warm meal on your table. Imagine having cancer in some third world country. See how that works? There are ALWAYS bigger problems.

Every kid is different. Every kid will handle bullying differently. Kids, by definition have not developed the coping skills to get through problems like this. Call me a pussy or post two consecutive capital q's (clever) to indicate that I am a big baby, but I'd rather stick up for kids who are being bullied. You and I have no right to judge. All we can do is try our best to raise our own kids in the best way possible. In the meantime, let's not be bully apologists.

do you have kids?

justincredible;1171613 wrote:Is there something so outrageous with my opinion that makes it invalid?

I didn't see you post an opinion. I saw a few guesses and some "can't and don't" understands.

Steel Valley Football;1171649 wrote:I didn't see you post an opinion. I saw a few guesses and some "can't and don't" understands.

Oh, I guess this isn't an opinion?

I do think that kids need to be taught to stick up for themselves but only in the event that someone is bullying them.

Steel Valley Football;1171649 wrote:I didn't see you post an opinion. I saw a few guesses and some "can't and don't" understands.

I have an opinion on you and your kids, but you'd probably whine about it and i'd get infracted

Why do you feel the need to bother other people? Bullying is the most retarded thing in the world. Probably have an inch cock and have to feel the need to justify it somehow. The arguement of "well if the kids weren't raised to be pussies then they wouldn't be getting their ass kicked" is flawed and stupid. Raise your kids to respect other people and this wouldn't be happening.

DeyDurkie5;1171656 wrote:Why do you feel the need to bother other people? Bullying is the most retarded thing in the world. Probably have an inch cock and have to feel the need to justify it somehow. The arguement of "well if the kids weren't raised to be pussies then they wouldn't be getting their ass kicked" is flawed and stupid. Raise your kids to respect other people and this wouldn't be happening.

:thumbup:

Raw Dawgin' it;1171654 wrote:I have an opinion on you and your kids, but you'd probably whine about it and i'd get infracted

It doesn't count.

Steel Valley Football;1171670 wrote:It doesn't count.

lol and you do? how many times a day do you get calls from the school cause your kid is stuck in a locker...honestly.

justincredible;1171653 wrote:Oh, I guess this isn't an opinion?

It's an opinion, yes. I'm not sure if it's valid or not. It's an idea with no expertise or experience to back it up. Whether it works in practice remains to be seen.

Raw Dawgin' it;1171683 wrote:lol and you do? how many times a day do you get calls from the school cause your kid is stuck in a locker...honestly.

We decided to send our kids to fight camp instead of school. Education is for pussies.

Reading through some of Justin's posts reminded me... As a dad, I need to teach my kids to defend themselves. Bullies, in one sense, are only bullies because no one has stood up to them.

But DeyDurkie's right... teaching a little respect can go a long way.

My son's school - IMO - spends WAY too much time talking about it. They have assemblies, class meetings, counselors... Who in the world is being picked on THIS much!?! And if we ALL know it's happening, why not identify the offender and get rid of him! It's seems to me an ounce of prevention would rid us of the 2 tons of cure!

But then again, that's probably, the, old, school, in , me. (Comma,.)

cruiser_96;1171739 wrote:Reading through some of Justin's posts reminded me... As a dad, I need to teach my kids to defend themselves. Bullies, in one sense, are only bullies because no one has stood up to them.

But DeyDurkie's right... teaching a little respect can go a long way.

My son's school - IMO - spends WAY too much time talking about it. They have assemblies, class meetings, counselors... Who in the world is being picked on THIS much!?! And if we ALL know it's happening, why not identify the offender and get rid of him! It's seems to me an ounce of prevention would rid us of the 2 tons of cure!

But then again, that's probably, the, old, school, in , me. (Comma,.)

I say you want to bully, let's go to the wrestling room!

Amen, Con_Alma!!! Get some!!!!!!

Dear God, and now the ad at the top of my page is about bullying. Will it ever end...

cruiser_96;1171743 wrote:Amen, Con_Alma!!! Get some!!!!!!

Dear God, and now the ad at the top of my page is about bullying. Will it ever end...

Ad blocker my friend!

Steel Valley Football;1171699 wrote:It's an opinion, yes. I'm not sure if it's valid or not. It's an idea with no expertise or experience to back it up. Whether it works in practice remains to be seen.

I guess I'll just be a shitty parent, then. Oh well.

Con_Alma;1171751 wrote:Ad blocker my friend!

Oh, sure, screw the site out of ad revenue.

Like, I'd, click, on, them, anyway!?

Still get revenue on pageviews.

Steel Valley Football;1171555 wrote:Not at all, but people w/o kids can stfu when it comes to how kids should be raised; especially you.

So our upbringing gives us 0 credibility?

justincredible;1171584 wrote:I really don't understand bullying and I especially can't understand parents that know their kids are bullies and just don't give a shit. I mean, I guess at least with the kid doing the bullying he's getting the rush "being in power" or whatever. But the parents? I'm guessing they were just bullies in the past that never had someone stick up for themselves and turn the ass kicking on them.

I have a funny joke, but it'd probably be an infraction. Parents don't believe their "babies" are ever in the wrong.

Steel Valley Football;1171609 wrote:Most people who actually have kids would disagree. And I used to react the same way as you both before I had kids when people w kids told me that. They'd say 'you have no idea' and they were right. Even though I thought I did.

Most people. Exactly. So therefore, you people you are saying "don't count" are just agreeing with the other half of parents. Basically, you are not accepting the opinion opposite of yours.

cruiser_96;1171739 wrote:Reading through some of Justin's posts reminded me... As a dad, I need to teach my kids to defend themselves. Bullies, in one sense, are only bullies because no one has stood up to them.

But DeyDurkie's right... teaching a little respect can go a long way.

My son's school - IMO - spends WAY too much time talking about it. They have assemblies, class meetings, counselors... Who in the world is being picked on THIS much!?! And if we ALL know it's happening, why not identify the offender and get rid of him! It's seems to me an ounce of prevention would rid us of the 2 tons of cure!

But then again, that's probably, the, old, school, in , me. (Comma,.)

I hate saying this because it's you; but nice post!