cruiser_96;1159667 wrote:I might say towards faith being the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Much like this gravity thing mentioned. I can't see gravity, but I can see the effects of it.

sleeper;1159651 wrote:You're only helping me. Faith proves nothing, its irrelevant. If you ever find yourself using faith to justify an internal belief, you have to recognize that it is irrelevant and it doesn't matter.

fish82;1159686 wrote:If showing you to be an amazingly hypocritical dufus is "helping you," then yeah. I'm Mr. Helper.

Why do you keep humping the "faith proves nothing" schtick, when everybody on the farking thread has agreed with you time and time again? You're starting to look like a cymbal monkey...just banging and screaming about nothing.

sleeper;1159710 wrote:It would only be hypocritical if I was being serious. No I don't have a link that all churches operate the same, it should be common sense. They are for profit business disguised as non-profits so they don't have to pay taxes. It's fraud to the rational unbiased mind, but we all know that isn't your typical believer.

fish82;1159742 wrote:Why should it be "common sense?" Now you're just talking in circles.

sleeper;1159710 wrote:It would only be hypocritical if I was being serious. No I don't have a link that all churches operate the same, it should be common sense. They are for profit business disguised as non-profits so they don't have to pay taxes. It's fraud to the rational unbiased mind, but we all know that isn't your typical believer.

sleeper;1159762 wrote:Well they aren't doing mass for free...

so...

...

Con_Alma;1159784 wrote:They would gladly do it for free for you.

Con_Alma;1159783 wrote:Lol. All churches do not operate the same. There are churches that believe that it is poor stewardship to sit on money that has been offered and that it should be put in ot the community. There are churches that believe rather than building buildings to honor God they should use their assets to feed those in need and help those without.

There's a church in Lorain, Ohio I think that doesn't even have pews because the money is better used in the inner city for those who have not sought help but need it.

sleeper;1159786 wrote:That's called marketing. It's a cost churches account for on their balance sheet. They know by being there your chances of getting hoodwinked increase 10 fold and you will become a paying customer soon enough.

Scientology is very similar and there are few that don't think its a cult.

sleeper;1159788 wrote:Why buy pews when you can funnel the money into your own pockets?

Con_Alma;1159793 wrote:I don't know but then again that's not what we saw when we were there. It's a Spanish speaking inner city church.

fish82;1159742 wrote:Why should it be "common sense?" Now you're just talking in circles.

wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.

For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense'

wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.

For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense'

sleeper;1159798 wrote:Even better. Why hire legal priests? Just bring in illegal aliens from Mexico. You can pay them less and they won't complain in English so no one will care.

wkfan;1159803 wrote:he tends to do that when cornered, or asked for proof of his claims.

For Sleeper, 'His Opinion' = 'Common Sense'

Con_Alma;1159809 wrote:????.

They aren't Mexicans. Lol They aren't even from Mexican decent.

sleeper;1159825 wrote:That lowers the likelihood the church is selling dope on the side then.

Con_Alma;1159832 wrote:Is that good in your mind?

It doesn't matter to me whether they would or not.

sleeper;1159835 wrote:Well I can't see how marketing towards the poor would yield enough revenue for the religion....