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Apr 30, 2012 11:28 PM
This has been the best thread tonight well besides the acid tripped strawberry cream pie thread.
Apr 30, 2012 11:28pm
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Apr 30, 2012 11:28 PM
DeadliestWarrior34;1158296 wrote:let me name a few things you will never know, no matter how much you **** up our forum:

you will never know:
what its like to have multiple 10/10s calling you every night to get ****ed.
what its like to score a game winning touchdown
what its like to have the balls/abililty to knock someone out at a bar when they try to punk you (lol @ you having to walk away like a bitch)
what it is like to workout and actually see results
what it is like to NOT immediately jizz yourself the first time a girl touches you because you have no experience with women
what it is like to enjoy the company of true friends and brother who will take bullets for you, outside of CoD.
what it is like to have an aura of success, confidence, and talent that commands respect from real people who are successful and worthwhile. and attractive.
what its like to be yourself and still make friends.
to not make excuses why your life sucks, because you make your own life and NEVER play the victim.
what it is like to wake up in the morning and be truly happy with your life
QFT
Apr 30, 2012 11:28pm
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Apr 30, 2012 11:29 PM
rmolin73;1158398 wrote:This has been the best thread tonight well besides the acid tripped strawberry cream pie thread.
We were told train wreck threads diverted traffic and that people were tired of it.
Apr 30, 2012 11:29pm
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May 1, 2012 7:19 AM
hoops23;1158402 wrote:We were told train wreck threads diverted traffic and that people were tired of it.
/wildcat20'd
May 1, 2012 7:19am
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May 1, 2012 11:16 AM
BORIStheCrusher;1156813 wrote:I grew up and went to catholic schools but rarely went to church. God/religion wasn't a big part of my life outside of school, but I assumed there was a God and believed a lot of the bible since that's what I was taught. As I'm older now; logic and reasoning has made me believe this not to be true. I can't say for sure I'm right, but it's what makes sense. If believing in god helps someone be a better person then I think that's good because I think the overall message is good, but I don't need to go to church and read the bible to know I should be a good person.
I think this is a pretty spot on post. I will rep it.
May 1, 2012 11:16am
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May 1, 2012 6:02 PM
Originally Posted by BORIStheCrusher
I grew up and went to catholic schools but rarely went to church. God/religion wasn't a big part of my life outside of school, but I assumed there was a God and believed a lot of the bible since that's what I was taught. As I'm older now; logic and reasoning has made me believe this not to be true. I can't say for sure I'm right, but it's what makes sense. If believing in god helps someone be a better person then I think that's good because I think the overall message is good, but I don't need to go to church and read the bible to know I should be a good person.
This is a good post...but consider what I put in bold print. The reason you "know this" is because you were educated as a Christian. (I'm not saying that it is exclusive of other religions). Very simply put...you are what you are taught....and the Christian influence in your thinking shapes your concepts of morality. I'd would say that it is also true in others who have since become atheists. They may have rejected organized religion and God, but they have not rejected the universal truths in the teachings.
May 1, 2012 6:02pm
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May 1, 2012 6:15 PM
Morality is independent of religion. If no god existed, would you rape or murder your neighbor? I doubt many would answer yes.

If no god existed, would homosexuals be abused and humiliated by as many? No.

Pretty much sums it right up.
May 1, 2012 6:15pm
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May 1, 2012 6:34 PM
Morality can arise independently.....I mean the universe arose out of nothing...and so can morality. That said...did you grow up in a vacuum? Nope.
May 1, 2012 6:34pm
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May 1, 2012 6:38 PM
HitsRus;1159019 wrote:Morality can arise independently.....I mean the universe arose out of nothing...and so can morality. That said...did you grow up in a vacuum? Nope.
But attributing morality to Christianity is not accurate. People were not murdering and raping everyone they didn't like long before Christianity came around.
May 1, 2012 6:38pm
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May 1, 2012 7:05 PM
I said Christian teaching is an influence on morality...I specifically said it was not exclusive.
May 1, 2012 7:05pm
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May 1, 2012 7:33 PM
HitsRus;1159040 wrote:I said Christian teaching is an influence on morality...I specifically said it was not exclusive.
Proper teaching at all is an influence on morality.
May 1, 2012 7:33pm
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May 1, 2012 10:06 PM
HitsRus;1159040 wrote:I said Christian teaching is an influence on morality...I specifically said it was not exclusive.
Kind of an irrelevant statement don't you think? Sure Christianity has positive teachings, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it real, doesn't make it a cult designed to control the minds and wallets of its constituents.
May 1, 2012 10:06pm
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May 2, 2012 7:35 AM
sleeper;1159184 wrote:... designed to control the minds and wallets of its constituents.
Sleeper: Just so you know, not every church is run this way. But I will agree that a fare number of organizations (churches included) can, and do, turn into a money-obtaining/money-loving adventure.
May 2, 2012 7:35am
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May 2, 2012 8:36 AM
sleeper;1159184 wrote:Kind of an irrelevant statement don't you think? Sure Christianity has positive teachings, doesn't make it right, doesn't make it real, doesn't make it a cult designed to control the minds and wallets of its constituents.
This isn't about Unions or Political Parties.
May 2, 2012 8:36am
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May 2, 2012 10:19 AM
cruiser_96;1159462 wrote:Sleeper: Just so you know, not every church is run this way. But I will agree that a fare number of organizations (churches included) can, and do, turn into a money-obtaining/money-loving adventure.
No, every church is run this way. Some are just better at hiding it than others.
May 2, 2012 10:19am
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May 2, 2012 10:21 AM
sleeper;1159585 wrote:No, every church is run this way. Some are just better at hiding it than others.
Any scientic proof to back up this claim?
May 2, 2012 10:21am
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May 2, 2012 10:34 AM
cruiser_96;1159588 wrote:Any scientic proof to back up this claim?
Faith bro. You have to have faith. :rolleyes:
May 2, 2012 10:34am
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May 2, 2012 10:37 AM
So, no?
May 2, 2012 10:37am
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May 2, 2012 10:38 AM
cruiser_96;1159609 wrote:So, no?
Haven't you learned anything on this thread?

Faith is all you need for proof.
May 2, 2012 10:38am
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May 2, 2012 10:42 AM
So, no?
May 2, 2012 10:42am
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May 2, 2012 10:51 AM
cruiser_96;1159621 wrote:So, no?
Faith. What else do I need?
May 2, 2012 10:51am
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May 2, 2012 10:51 AM
So, no?
May 2, 2012 10:51am
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May 2, 2012 10:51 AM
sleeper;1159585 wrote:No, every church is run this way. Some are just better at hiding it than others.
Every male graduate of tOSU takes cock in the ass.
sleeper;1159611 wrote:Haven't you learned anything on this thread?

Faith is all you need for proof.
See above.
May 2, 2012 10:51am
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May 2, 2012 10:58 AM
fish82;1159640 wrote:Every male graduate of tOSU takes cock in the ass.



See above.
You're only helping me. Faith proves nothing, its irrelevant. If you ever find yourself using faith to justify an internal belief, you have to recognize that it is irrelevant and it doesn't matter.
May 2, 2012 10:58am
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May 2, 2012 11:00 AM
sleeper;1159651 wrote:... Faith proves nothing, ...
Agreed, over and over again.
May 2, 2012 11:00am