Tiger2003;1056737 wrote:What dont you believe? That my brother doesn't believe or what?

sleeper;1056740 wrote:I don't believe you were ever given a choice. Your parents still pressured you into your beliefs. At least your brother has tasted freedom.

Tiger2003;1056748 wrote:My parents didn't pressure me into anything. I still go to church every Wednesday and Sunday. I havent lived with my parents for nearly 10 years. I was given a choice at a young age. It was our choice if we wanted to go or not.

sleeper;1056749 wrote:I don't buy it. But okay.

Tiger2003;1056748 wrote:My parents didn't pressure me into anything. I still go to church every Wednesday and Sunday. I havent lived with my parents for nearly 10 years. I was given a choice at a young age. It was our choice if we wanted to go or not.

I Wear Pants;1056475 wrote:The idea that because we don't have all the answers proves that there is a god is a little bit absurd.

I Wear Pants;1056680 wrote:Ah yes the "you are entirely wrong but I can't be bothered to actually discuss or debate with you".

Tiger2003;1056748 wrote:My parents didn't pressure me into anything. I still go to church every Wednesday and Sunday. I havent lived with my parents for nearly 10 years. I was given a choice at a young age. It was our choice if we wanted to go or not.

Skyhook79;1056785 wrote:It really is useless.

se-alum;1056843 wrote:I don't pray, but I certainly understand why people do, and I would never question their reasoning. We all have the right to choose what we believe in, as people also have the right to question our beliefs. In my mind, neither is any better or worse than the other. I think alot of people pray to keep a healthy mind. It's an outlet much like going to a psychiatrist or psychologist. It allows you to clear your mind by speaking with a being that you truly believe in. In my situation, I don't attend church or pray, but I believe in God. I just don't believe going to church every Wednesday and Sunday makes you a good person. I believe that living your life the right way, doing your part to be a positive member of society, and treating others as you would want yourself to be treated, is what God really wants.

DeyDurkie5;1056717 wrote:embrace something written 300 years ago...that's almost as bad as embracing hte bible, written 2000 years ago! Do you think the world is flat? LOL

friendfromlowry;1056547 wrote:From one of the few people with a medical background on this forum, I think you need to leave this stuff alone. Thousands of people die every day of heart disease, cancer, HIV/AIDs, etc...do you think any of them had positive outlooks/attitudes and prayed and had faith? I can tell you from experience that they did, yet still died -- sometimes at a very young age, from a very painful death, with families left behind. So for every person that can be said they survived because of a positive outlook, there are literally thousands more who didn't.
As for the 'marriage phenomenon' -- it probably has something to do with having somethere for you who cares about you, loves you, looks out for you, etc. all your life. It should come as no surprise that some of the unhealthiest people in the hospital are also the lonliest in life.

That's my biggest quarrel with religion. You can be the holiest sumbitch out there -- but at the end of the day, you've got the same odds for the good and the bad as anyone else. Several months ago I had a 30-something year old male as a patient, laying in his hammock one day. A tree branch snaps off and falls on his chest, separating his right lung from his trachea. He makes it to surgery but doesn't survive long. He leaves behind a wife and two young children. Now I don't know anything personally about this guy - whether he was a religious folk or the complete opposite - but if there is a God, I'm pretty pissed off when I meet him having just endured that and what I leave behind.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1056787 wrote:So you're not Catholic anymore? I'm just making the assumption since a wednesday service usually indicates a protestant denomination.

Tiger2003;1057074 wrote:No I am still Roman Catholic. Wednesday is the day for Novena Service.

Steel Valley Football;1056995 wrote:This is not a logical argument. Furthermore, your post is filled with speculation and unfounded facts.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1057086 wrote:Every wednesday?

Tiger2003;1057096 wrote:Yep.

friendfromlowry;1057095 wrote:Not a logical argument how? You stated on page one that "There are effects of prayer that are not fully understood. Much like people who beat cancer due to positive outlooks and attitudes, which science has no explanation for." My point was that there are literally thousands more that do NOT beat cancer (or heart disease, pneumonia, AIDS, etc) despite having a positive outlook.
What are the unfounded facts by the way? Thousands of people die each day from the disease I mentioned. That is a fact. Do you think any of those thousands of people had a strong faith but still died?

Ha, it's ironic...My post is full of speculation and unfounded facts, but your basis "People beat disease because they have a positive outlook and science has no idea why." Really? Who are these people? Have any specific examples? Are you reviewing their medical records? Does their positive outlook on having cancer have ANY correlation with early detection of the disease, having stage one cancer (relatively harmless if properly treated) vs. having stage four cancer (deathbed)? Do they happen to receive treatment at the best hospitals with well-recognized staff/doctors?
Is any of that taken into account or should I just take your word that the fact that they had a strong belief in prayer and/or religion and/or God thus they survived and science is completely flabbergasted as to why?

Skyhook79;1057108 wrote:People of Faith die everyday just like people of non- Faith. The difference is (in my belief) is where you go from death.

sleeper;1056115 wrote:I promise I will not attack you or make fun of you in this thread.