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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2012 7:10pm
It's got nothing to do with whether I have "faith in Weeden" or not.Pick6;1256536 wrote:are you saying you dont have faith in Weeden? I dont see it getting worse as long as Weeden is proving that he should be the starter.
As Iggy said, they don't need McCoy around so all of his diehard nuthuggers start chanting McCoy's name EVERY time Weeden makes a mistake and he WILL make mistakes as a rookie QB.
It has nothing to do with peer pressure toward the coaching staff either as any competent staff won't bow down to the fans.
The fact of the matter is that Weeden is their guy and he doesn't need the ham & eggers chirping in his ear for McCoy.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 28, 2012 7:16pm
First of all, I think you are overestimating the amount of "McCoy nut huggers" out there. I don't think there is many at all. Second of all if a few "put in the backup" jeers are going to rattle Weeden and fuck with his career then he doesn't deserve to be a starting NFL quarterback.BR1986FB;1256547 wrote:It's got nothing to do with whether I have "faith in Weeden" or not.
As Iggy said, they don't need McCoy around so all of his diehard nuthuggers start chanting McCoy's name EVERY time Weeden makes a mistake and he WILL make mistakes as a rookie QB.
It has nothing to do with peer pressure toward the coaching staff either as any competent staff won't bow down to the fans.
The fact of the matter is that Weeden is their guy and he doesn't need the ham & eggers chirping in his ear for McCoy.
Lastly, I still LOL at iggy being dramatic. It always brings the lulz. We get it Iggy, you don't like McCoy, but lol at thinking he is going to have any impact on this season. Unless Weeden gets hurt, McCoy isn't going to do shit. He sure as hell isn't going to create a QB controversy. The staff has already seen what Colt can do. If there was any controversy, Shurmur wouldn't have named Weeden a start right away. So what if Colt QQ'd about it. He is a human being, it is natural to be upset.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2012 7:24pm
I bet there are a helluva lot more McCoy supporters in Cleveland than there are people who want to see Weeden succeed. There are a ridiculous amount who still think McCoy got a "raw deal." At first, I thought it was just the clowns on local sports talk but it's not.like_that;1256548 wrote:First of all, I think you are overestimating the amount of "McCoy nut huggers" out there. I don't think there is many at all.
Weeden doesn't need it. It's unnecessary to have to deal with that as a rookie.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2012 7:44pm
My biggest problem is just that Weeden shouldnt have been given the starting job outright without having to earn it. You know Im a McCoy fan, but if Weeden ends up good, then so be it. I still believe it is just a desperation move from Shurmur to cover his ass. Even if Weeden sucks this year, he even has the excuse "he is developing". McCoy may not have shown much, but I dont see how you can think he didnt get a raw deal. I dont know the stats, and Im not going to look them up, but I'd imagine Weeden is the only QB this DECADE (probably longer) drafted after the top 10 and just handed the job. No competition or anything.BR1986FB;1256547 wrote:It's got nothing to do with whether I have "faith in Weeden" or not.
As Iggy said, they don't need McCoy around so all of his diehard nuthuggers start chanting McCoy's name EVERY time Weeden makes a mistake and he WILL make mistakes as a rookie QB.
It has nothing to do with peer pressure toward the coaching staff either as any competent staff won't bow down to the fans.
The fact of the matter is that Weeden is their guy and he doesn't need the ham & eggers chirping in his ear for McCoy.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 28, 2012 7:53pm
I don't buy that. If you took a poll I am willing to bet it would be in heavy favor with moving on with Weeden. There are plenty of teams throughout history who had a popular average at best QB be seated by a top pick. If that top pick started succeeding, nobody gave a fuck. It's all about the wins. Nobody is going to root for Weeden to fail, especially if he is winning.BR1986FB;1256554 wrote:I bet there are a helluva lot more McCoy supporters in Cleveland than there are people who want to see Weeden succeed. There are a ridiculous amount who still think McCoy got a "raw deal." At first, I thought it was just the clowns on local sports talk but it's not.
Weeden doesn't need it. It's unnecessary to have to deal with that as a rookie.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2012 7:54pm
Andy Dalton (selected 35th) last year. Didn't have to go far to find that.Pick6;1256560 wrote:My biggest problem is just that Weeden shouldnt have been given the starting job outright without having to earn it. You know Im a McCoy fan, but if Weeden ends up good, then so be it. I still believe it is just a desperation move from Shurmur to cover his ass. Even if Weeden sucks this year, he even has the excuse "he is developing". McCoy may not have shown much, but I dont see how you can think he didnt get a raw deal. I dont know the stats, and Im not going to look them up, but I'd imagine Weeden is the only QB this DECADE (probably longer) drafted after the top 10 and just handed the job. No competition or anything.
McCoy HAD almost 25 starts. You make the most of your opportunities. If he had shown promise (made the limited talent around him play at a higher level like GOOD QB's do), they probably would've given him another year but he didn't.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2012 7:56pm
Don't have to "buy it." I see the hatred from the McCoy supporters EVERY day. It doesn't occur on here but there are some first class jackholes hoping for Weeden to fail.like_that;1256565 wrote:I don't buy that. If you took a poll I am willing to bet it would be in heavy favor with moving on with Weeden. There are plenty of teams throughout history who had a popular average at best QB be seated by a top pick. If that top pick started succeeding, nobody gave a fuck. It's all about the wins. Nobody is going to root for Weeden to fail, especially if he is winning.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2012 8:04pm
fair enough, although that was a unique situation.BR1986FB;1256566 wrote:Andy Dalton (selected 35th) last year. Didn't have to go far to find that.
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But then I ask, Dalton came in and did a good job, even took the team to the playoffs. So why does Weeden, who is older, get a pass if he doesnt do well?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 28, 2012 8:09pm
He probably won't. With new ownership coming in, this could be a one year audition. If Weeden turns out to be "DA Part 2" I'm sure the new regime will want to bring in "their guy." I just pray it's not Barkley if it happens.Pick6;1256576 wrote:fair enough, although that was a unique situation.
But then I ask, Dalton came in and did a good job, even took the team to the playoffs. So why does Weeden, who is older, get a pass if he doesnt do well?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 28, 2012 8:26pm
Hard to tell, but like I said a few pages back, I heard Haslem has a real hard-on for McCoy.BR1986FB;1256582 wrote:He probably won't. With new ownership coming in, this could be a one year audition. If Weeden turns out to be "DA Part 2" I'm sure the new regime will want to bring in "their guy." I just pray it's not Barkley if it happens.
I still think the franchise is better off with Haslem as an owner.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Aug 28, 2012 8:28pm
Would "neither" be an option?like_that;1256565 wrote:I don't buy that. If you took a poll I am willing to bet it would be in heavy favor with moving on with Weeden.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Aug 28, 2012 9:27pm
BR1986FB;1256582 wrote:He probably won't. With new ownership coming in, this could be a one year audition. If Weeden turns out to be "DA Part 2" I'm sure the new regime will want to bring in "their guy." I just pray it's not Barkley if it happens.
Just curious, why not Barkley?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 28, 2012 10:10pm
Terry_Tate;1256647 wrote:Just curious, why not Barkley?
I dk if he has the arm strength for the nfl. He has a better arm than McCoy but Barkley is also a very smart qb. I think he will be an average to good qb. I honestly love the guy from Washington. I think he will be the best of the qb class
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 28, 2012 10:29pm
if weeden doesn't pan out, i would like an SEC qb, tyler wilson, aarron murray, tyler bray. i don't think barkley has the arm strength to be "great" in the NFL.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 28, 2012 11:24pm
If I talked to a dozen mentally retarded kids, and they all said that Aaron Rodgers isn't a good QB, does that give me the right to claim that there are a lot of Rodgers haters out there? And that just because I don't hear it on here, it's definitely out there that he's a terrible QB?BR1986FB;1256567 wrote:Don't have to "buy it." I see the hatred from the McCoy supporters EVERY day. It doesn't occur on here but there are some first class jackholes hoping for Weeden to fail.
Because that's exactly how you sound right now
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Aug 28, 2012 11:27pm
And you sound like a complete idiot, as always.SportsAndLady;1256734 wrote:If I talked to a dozen mentally retarded kids, and they all said that Aaron Rodgers isn't a good QB, does that give me the right to claim that there are a lot of Rodgers haters out there? And that just because I don't hear it on here, it's definitely out there that he's a terrible QB?
Because that's exactly how you sound right now
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 28, 2012 11:30pm
Seriously what is your obsession with me? Freaking me out, internet guy.Tigerfan00;1256738 wrote:And you sound like a complete idiot, as always.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 28, 2012 11:32pm
S&L has a point here. Br keeps bringing up these "McCoy nuthuggers" that he hears from "every day" but none of them are here.Tigerfan00;1256738 wrote:And you sound like a complete idiot, as always.
Br, if you want to make a point make a point, but don't bring in a bunch of OTHER people who DONT post on here who DONT represent anything anyone on here has expressed.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 29, 2012 12:07am
Pete Carroll obviously agrees with the McCoy nuthuggers, just sayin. I would give Weedon the ball to start the season. But if he sucks ass, then he sucks ass. Period. If he sucks ass, then you put in the other guy. That's how sports works.BR1986FB;1256547 wrote:It's got nothing to do with whether I have "faith in Weeden" or not.
As Iggy said, they don't need McCoy around so all of his diehard nuthuggers start chanting McCoy's name EVERY time Weeden makes a mistake and he WILL make mistakes as a rookie QB.
It has nothing to do with peer pressure toward the coaching staff either as any competent staff won't bow down to the fans.
The fact of the matter is that Weeden is their guy and he doesn't need the ham & eggers chirping in his ear for McCoy.
So far in preseason...and it is preseason, the best quarterback to date has been McCoy...and it's not even close. I don't care who plays...as long as the guy who plays gives the team the best chance to win. Pete Carroll said "fuck you" to management, and is parking the ass of his 10 million dollar quarterback.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 29, 2012 12:19am
lol at mccoy starting.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 29, 2012 12:19am
I don't follow this crap even a tenth what you do, but I don't buy into that at all. Browns fans want to win period. They don't give a shit who leads them to victory.BR1986FB;1256554 wrote:I bet there are a helluva lot more McCoy supporters in Cleveland than there are people who want to see Weeden succeed. There are a ridiculous amount who still think McCoy got a "raw deal." At first, I thought it was just the clowns on local sports talk but it's not.
Weeden doesn't need it. It's unnecessary to have to deal with that as a rookie.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 29, 2012 5:15am
Why? The OC represents a miniscule sampling of the Browns fanbase why radio (local/national), along with newspapers and various browns websites/message boards give a much larger sample. There are MAYBE 10-15 people on this site who are consistent Browns posters.lhslep134;1256742 wrote:S&L has a point here. Br keeps bringing up these "McCoy nuthuggers" that he hears from "every day" but none of them are here.
Br, if you want to make a point make a point, but don't bring in a bunch of OTHER people who DONT post on here who DONT represent anything anyone on here has expressed.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 29, 2012 5:17am
Sanchez Part Deux...he might be fine in a warmer weather city but just don't see it here.Terry_Tate;1256647 wrote:Just curious, why not Barkley?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 29, 2012 7:42am
I'm not saying Russell Wilson is or isn't going to be a stud but comparing him to McCoy is laughable. The ONLY thing they have in common is that they are short. Wilson is MUCH more mobile and his arm is way better. Sitting a Matt Flynn, who's skillset is marginal, isn't a huge shock. There's not much difference in what he brings to the table vs Wilson (accept Wilson is more athletic). Comparing McCoy's popgun arm to that of Weeden's is also a joke. Weeden's your QB. Deal with it.Footwedge;1256762 wrote:Pete Carroll obviously agrees with the McCoy nuthuggers, just sayin. I would give Weedon the ball to start the season. But if he sucks ass, then he sucks ass. Period. If he sucks ass, then you put in the other guy. That's how sports works.
So far in preseason...and it is preseason, the best quarterback to date has been McCoy...and it's not even close. I don't care who plays...as long as the guy who plays gives the team the best chance to win. Pete Carroll said "fuck you" to management, and is parking the ass of his 10 million dollar quarterback.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 29, 2012 8:41am
True, but you would think if that rumor is out there at all, someone on here would be saying it. I'll take 15 credible Browns fans' (the 15 on here) opinions over thousands of hilljacks calling into a damn radio show.BR1986FB;1256806 wrote:Why? The OC represents a miniscule sampling of the Browns fanbase why radio (local/national), along with newspapers and various browns websites/message boards give a much larger sample. There are MAYBE 10-15 people on this site who are consistent Browns posters.
I'm the biggest Weeden critic there is, and I think he should be the starter 100%. There's not one credible fan out there who thinks Weeden shouldn't be the starter...so stop bringing up a bunch of morons wanting McCoy and passing it off like there is some sort of fan/QB controversy.