Footwedge;1250320 wrote:and this....where did I say the Niners were going 1-15? And minus 130 doesn't mean more people are betting over 7.5. What it means is that the betting market says you must lay 130 to win a 100 to bet over at that bookie joint. Probably paid plus 110 to bet under. BFD. Nothing more or less than that

You compared what they did last year with "low" expectations to what the Browns could potentially do this year. At least 2 national NFL guys (so obviously not you specifically) have predicted the Browns to go 1-15 or worse. Nobody was doing that with San Fran last year.

And odds on a line are usually set at -110 on each side. When the line moves to -130 it's because bets are being laid heavily on that side. Why the hell would they set odds at O -130 and U Even? That doesn't happen. They start the same. They change when people start wagering money on one side over the other. So yeah, it absolutely means more people were betting the over.

It's funny that over the course of about 5 posts you went from San Fran being picked by the public "to go 2-14 last year" to being expected to have "4 or 5 wins" to "I bet if you looked it up it would be 6.5 tops" to "7.5 isn't that impressive". You're clueless. I never said anything about you thinking the Browns could outperform expectations this year. Your example of the 49ers was the stupid part, because a) you were flat out wrong about it and b) the 2 teams' situations aren't even close to comparable.

And sorry for "stalking you". Aka responding to your posts that have directly quoted me and asked me questions.

http://deadspin.com/5934929/why-your-team-sucks-2012-cleveland-browns?tag=Why-Your-Team-Sucks-2012

wrote:The Randy Lerner era was just like the movie Tommy Boy, that is if Tommy Boy was some horrible drama without a happy ending...In the Cleveland version, Big Tom Callahan still died and left the family business to his son, Tommy. Only, Tommy didn't care about the factory, the town, or the new brake pad division. He never had a Tony Robbins/chicken wings moment. Tommy just said "fuck it" and gave control to Beverly and Paul (who bled the business dry), and then wasted all of his time on sailing.
Ten years later, he finally sold out to Ray Zalinsky. The end.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8283622/cleveland-brown-coach-pat-shurmur-says-trent-richardson-little-ahead-schedule-recovery-surgery

Good to hear about Richardson, still think it was a risky pick at #3. I really hope it doesn't bite us in the ass.

Now Bill Polian's name is being linked to the Browns because of the Haslam/Peyton Manning connection?

BR1986FB;1250639 wrote:Now Bill Polian's name is being linked to the Browns because of the Haslam/Peyton Manning connection?

Where did you see this?

like_that his name is adam goldhammer. i haven't seen a link, heard it on the radio. i think its pure speculation.


EDIT:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000052097/Weeden-I-can-t-put-any-more-pressure-on-myself

nice little video on weeden

shook_17;1250676 wrote:like_that his name is adam goldhammer. i haven't seen a link, heard it on the radio. i think its pure speculation

The tweet that I saw said that Polian had admitted being linked to the Browns.

BR1986FB;1250686 wrote:The tweet that I saw said that Polian had admitted being linked to the Browns.

fuck it. maybe i am wrong. i just don't want another fucking blow up..

shook_17;1250748 wrote:fuck it. maybe i am wrong. i just don't want another fucking blow up..

I like Heckert but Polian is 10x's the GM that old Tommy Boy is.

BR1986FB;1250784 wrote:I like Heckert but Polian is 10x's the GM that old Tommy Boy is.

Agreed

Here's another link about Bill Polian linked to the Browns:
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/08/is-bill-polian-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-browns/

shook_17;1250748 wrote: i just don't want another ****ing blow up..

It's coming.

When you spend a $1 Billion on something, you want to put your guys in place unless you are inheriting the Patriots/Steelers or a team like that.

Fair or not, it is probably going to take 9 wins and sniffing the playoffs (or outright making it) for everyone to keep their jobs next year.

BR1986FB;1250784 wrote:I like Heckert but Polian is 10x's the GM that old Tommy Boy is.

Absolutely, it's an instant upgrade!

Not sure if this shows up or not, but if it does I customized this myself. A little birthday gift I am giving to myself.

http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x1333904158/Weeden-Gordon-starting-to-shine-in-Browns-passing-game

take it for what its worth

EDIT:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Training-Camp-Practice-Footage---820/41e92ba4-3f14-4044-9735-2f5c466ccb55

this isn't a hater statement but video of practice today. passing game, but look at the difference in spiral between weeden, mccoy and wallace.

shook_17;1251103 wrote:video of practice today

Stopped reading there.

SportsAndLady;1251107 wrote:Stopped reading there.

:thumbup:

IggyPride00;1250849 wrote:It's coming.

When you spend a $1 Billion on something, you want to put your guys in place unless you are inheriting the Patriots/Steelers or a team like that.

Fair or not, it is probably going to take 9 wins and sniffing the playoffs (or outright making it) for everyone to keep their jobs next year.

They can blow the personnel up all they want, though I do like what Heckert has done as GM for the Browns. What I don't want to see is them to blow-up the roster. The talent that's on the roster now, compared to when the current regime took over, is incredible. Is it perfect? No, but these are the kinds of things that take time.

I just don't want to see a setback from a talent standpoint.

^^ thats pretty much what i meant. good shit.

BR1986FB;1250784 wrote:I like Heckert but Polian is 10x's the GM that old Tommy Boy is.

He is? Colts were exposed to have a shitty roster when Manning went down I thought.

Commander of Awesome;1251186 wrote:He is? Colts were exposed to have a shitty roster when Manning went down I thought.

I think so too. Wasn't Heckert with Phili when they went to like 10 straight NFC championships?

Commander of Awesome;1251186 wrote:He is? Colts were exposed to have a shitty roster when Manning went down I thought.

I'll take Polian any day of the week. The Colts defense was designed like that for a reason...playing with a lead. I will agree that they needed to have a competent backup and when Manning went down, they were screwed. Same personnel, just no HOF QB.

Vick got banged up again last night against the Patriots. Nothing serious, to my knowledge, but these nicks & bumps could take their toll. Hopefully, he's a little skittish in the opener.