shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 5, 2012 8:52pm
Footwedge;1240669 wrote:...Breaking: Usain Bolt interested in Browns tryout.......
Lol riiighhhhtt
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 5, 2012 9:05pm
absolutely would be fine with those stats. i can't remember the last time we had media rave about a qb. i know its only training camp but everybody is raving about him.BR1986FB;1240653 wrote:And in 2009 Schaub threw for 4700+ yards, 29 TD's/15 INT's...In 2010... 4300+ yards, 24 TD's/12 INT's....would anyone be "ok" with those type of stats from Weeden along with what T-Rich is gonna put up on the ground? I would.
do you think he plays the whole first quarter friday?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Aug 5, 2012 9:12pm
I would say two series tops...for the first teamers
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Sonofanump
Aug 5, 2012 11:37pm
I agree with that statement.Footwedge;1240557 wrote:I have no idea.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 5:15am
I tend to agree with this.wes_mantooth;1240718 wrote:I would say two series tops...for the first teamers
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 8:59am
Vilma may have his suspension reduced in half. If this happens, it's expected the same will be done for the others (Fujita).
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 6, 2012 9:37am
If Vilma's suspension is cut in half, Fujita's suspension should be fully cut.BR1986FB;1240891 wrote:Vilma may have his suspension reduced in half. If this happens, it's expected the same will be done for the others (Fujita).
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 9:48am
Weeden taking aggressive approach in training camp...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51900/weeden-taking-aggressive-approach-in-camp
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51900/weeden-taking-aggressive-approach-in-camp
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 6, 2012 10:26am
This is going to be very refreshing to see this season. We might actually score some points, or at least be entertaining to watch trying.BR1986FB;1240907 wrote:Weeden taking aggressive approach in training camp...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51900/weeden-taking-aggressive-approach-in-camp
Watch a couple of seven-on-seven drills involving Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden and you'll leave with the same impression: He has a different mindset than Checkdown Colt.
There were times when Weeden could have played it safe and dropped it to a running back. Instead, he took a shot downfield. Some throws were successful, and others were not.
The key is that Weeden is being aggressive in his first NFL training camp. This attitude was missing from the Browns offense last season, when Colt McCoy ranked 33rd in the NFL with an average of 5.9 yards per attempt (only Jacksonville's Blaine Gabbert was worse among starting quarterbacks).
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Aug 6, 2012 10:36am
I like this mindset. I heard Weeden's quote saying he was "seeing what he can get away with". Makes sense and I think maybe his experience has allowed him this mindset. As opposed to a young guy coming in (McCoy) and being belitted by his first coaching staff. I wouldn't be surprised if that caused him to be "Checkdown Colt" because he was afraid to make a mistake/take a risk.BR1986FB;1240907 wrote:Weeden taking aggressive approach in training camp...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51900/weeden-taking-aggressive-approach-in-camp
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 10:50am
Wouldn't shock me either and he's STILL doing it. If McCoy believes this to be a true "competition" (which it isn't), he should be going "balls to the wall", taking chances and slinging it all over the field, yet he still seems to be settling for checkdowns in TC. Go out in a blaze of glory, son...not with a wimper.mucalum49;1240936 wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if that caused him to be "Checkdown Colt" because he was afraid to make a mistake/take a risk.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 11:46am
Anyone still think this will be a "top 10 defense?"
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 6, 2012 12:05pm
^^ no, gocong is hurt, taylor is hurt. the only reason we had a "top 10" defense is because teams didn't have to throw against our secondary. all they had to do was run the ball and control the clock. they knew our offense was nothing to be afraid of and they knew they could gash us on the ground. this team is still 2 lbs, 1 de, 1 s, and 1 cb away from being top 10 in the NFL.
they will replay the browns preseason game saturday 12am on STO.
they will replay the browns preseason game saturday 12am on STO.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 6, 2012 1:16pm
The personnel of their defense was much worse 2 years ago than it is now. They had the toughest schedule in the league that year, and they still were very near the top 10 in points allowed. Not to mention their offense was a pile of shit.BR1986FB;1240976 wrote:Anyone still think this will be a "top 10 defense?"
So yes, if points allowed is the measuring stick, then I believe they can be a top 10 defense. When push comes to shove all what matters it the amount of points they give up.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 1:44pm
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 1:57pm
Top 15-20, max. This defense is getting gashed, consistently, in TC by Weeden & Company. Yes, I know it's training camp but I also don't think we have a prolific offense, yet.like_that;1241014 wrote:The personnel of their defense was much worse 2 years ago than it is now. They had the toughest schedule in the league that year, and they still were very near the top 10 in points allowed. Not to mention their offense was a pile of shit.
So yes, if points allowed is the measuring stick, then I believe they can be a top 10 defense. When push comes to shove all what matters it the amount of points they give up.
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Sonofanump
Aug 6, 2012 2:01pm
I'd love to see that.BR1986FB;1241033 wrote:Tony Grossi‏@TonyGrossi Replacement refs are working #Browns practice today.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 6, 2012 2:03pm
Maybe in yards, but not points allowed.BR1986FB;1241041 wrote:Top 15-20, max. This defense is getting gashed, consistently, in TC by Weeden & Company. Yes, I know it's training camp but I also don't think we have a prolific offense, yet.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 2:10pm
Teams didn't HAVE to score a lot of points in the past when our putrid offense wasn't putting up any. Just like the pass defense, the "points allowed" defense will be a mirage if this offense starts scoring points.like_that;1241045 wrote:Maybe in yards, but not points allowed.
If this offense were to get up into the 25'ish points SCORED per game, I guarantee the points allowed will go up significantly when teams start having to throw on us. If the offense sucks again, the points allowed will stay low.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 6, 2012 2:18pm
Sorry BR, but I don't buy that shit. No team when they are in the redzone thinks "hmmm well their offense really sucks ass, so we shouldn't try that hard to score a TD. Let's just settle for the FG and hope a freak play on their side doesn't happen. (i.e. the Browns unintentional approach last season, which bit them in the ass. See: every game where the offense kept the opposition in the game). Teams are always looking to score TD's (and score in general) to put the game away and rest their starters. That's always the ideal scenario for any team in any NFL game.BR1986FB;1241056 wrote:Teams didn't HAVE to score a lot of points in the past when our putrid offense wasn't putting up any. Just like the pass defense, the "points allowed" defense will be a mirage if this offense starts scoring points.
If this offense were to get up into the 25'ish points SCORED per game, I guarantee the points allowed will go up significantly when teams start having to throw on us. If the offense sucks again, the points allowed will stay low.
If you are confident about your prediction though, feel free to put another steak on the line
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IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 6, 2012 2:21pm
I don't know what to expect out of the defense, but I suspect 15-20 in the league.BR1986FB;1241056 wrote:Teams didn't HAVE to score a lot of points in the past when our putrid offense wasn't putting up any. Just like the pass defense, the "points allowed" defense will be a mirage if this offense starts scoring points.
If this offense were to get up into the 25'ish points SCORED per game, I guarantee the points allowed will go up significantly when teams start having to throw on us. If the offense sucks again, the points allowed will stay low.
Last year as has been mentioned was all smoke and mirrors because opposing teams went into (to borrow a basketball term) a four corners offense to just bleed the clock out on the ground because once the Browns were down 10 it was over. Both our team and the opposing team knew we couldn't come back, so they just sat on the ball essentially.
It will be interesting to see if we start scoring points how the defense responds because teams will be opening up the playbook far more than I think they ever had to against us.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Aug 6, 2012 2:34pm
Our defense has 0 top talent. Ward is still unproven. Rubin Haden Sheard and Jackson are at or above average but everyone else is questionable. We have 0 pro bowls on defense. The bull and fox are talking about this subject right now and they are saying the offense is better than the defense. I agree.
Mr Miyagi
Posts: 1,211
Aug 6, 2012 2:42pm
Defensive depth is always a question mark with the Browns.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 2:48pm
We'll see. They won't have the luxury of facing Blaine Gabbert, Kerry Collins, Charlie Whitehurst, etc this year. You're going to see that this "top 10" defense was a mirage.like_that;1241069 wrote:Sorry BR, but I don't buy that shit. No team when they are in the redzone thinks "hmmm well their offense really sucks ass, so we shouldn't try that hard to score a TD. Let's just settle for the FG and hope a freak play on their side doesn't happen. (i.e. the Browns unintentional approach last season, which bit them in the ass. See: every game where the offense kept the opposition in the game). Teams are always looking to score TD's (and score in general) to put the game away and rest their starters. That's always the ideal scenario for any team in any NFL game.
If you are confident about your prediction though, feel free to put another steak on the line
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 6, 2012 2:49pm
And we have a winner!IggyPride00;1241075 wrote: Last year as has been mentioned was all smoke and mirrors because opposing teams went into (to borrow a basketball term) a four corners offense to just bleed the clock out on the ground because once the Browns were down 10 it was over. Both our team and the opposing team knew we couldn't come back, so they just sat on the ball essentially.