I guess Jason Smith for the Rams could be considered a bust, but he had a solid rookie yr and then injuries.

Gallery is solid at guard. More suited to that position than LT. Think he has the T-Rex arms which are an issue for tackles.

Im still torn between blackmon and trich. I hate draft anyalist that say he is falling bc he doesn't have a "second gear" turn on the game film the dude can straight ball out on the field. He dominated college football the last two years. He has to be high on boards still.

But back to either trich or blackmon, I would be pretty happy either way, only way im pissed off next Thursday is if we take tannehill before pick 22.

SportsAndLady;1146717 wrote:Would love Blackmon at 4..would hate Claiborne more than I'd probably hate any other pick there other than Tannehill.

Why would you hate Claiborne? That secondary would be a pretty scary one by adding him. Just rather address other needs or don't want him?

killer_ewok;1146734 wrote:Why would you hate Claiborne? That secondary would be a pretty scary by adding him. Just rather address other needs or don't want him?

Wasn't directed toward me but if they can get a pass rush it will cover up the blemish at CB. I still could see a draft day trade where the Browns acquire Asante Samuel and restructure his deal moving Sheldon Brown to safety. Corner isn't a major need even though Heckert has a hard on for them.

killer_ewok;1146734 wrote:Why would you hate Claiborne? That secondary would be a pretty scary by adding him. Just rather address other needs or don't want him?

I think Claiborne will be very good..just think cornerback is like 6th on the Browns' needs. They have no playmakers, they don't have a franchise QB, they have average at best TE's, terrible OLB's, need a RT and a guard.

Also, I think the CB position is a bit overrated in the NFL..i'm a big believer in your front 7 making the corner's look a lot better than they are (see: Steelers. They really don't have great corners, but they do fine because their front 7 is good).

Moving Brown to FS helps two areas at once. We get a better player to play corner, and we get an upgrade at FS. Brown is physical, solid tackler with range. We really lack a cover player in the safety spot, I certaintly don't want to watch TEs abuse Ward anymore.

Commander of Awesome;1146741 wrote:Moving Brown to FS helps two areas at once. We get a better player to play corner, and we get an upgrade at FS. Brown is physical, solid tackler with range. We really lack a cover player in the safety spot, I certaintly don't want to watch TEs abuse Ward anymore.

Amen

SportsAndLady;1146740 wrote:I think Claiborne will be very good..just think cornerback is like 6th on the Browns' needs. They have no playmakers, they don't have a franchise QB, they have average at best TE's, terrible OLB's, need a RT and a guard.

Also, I think the CB position is a bit overrated in the NFL..i'm a big believer in your front 7 making the corner's look a lot better than they are (see: Steelers. They really don't have great corners, but they do fine because their front 7 is good).

I agree with your first point, but I have an issue of reachign for lesser prospects with the first pick. Sorry but elite WR, QB, etc wont be there for the Browns. So why reach for a lesser talent? That never works out well for teams. Esp for a talent like Blackmon who in my opinion isn't even a #1 WR in this league and very similar skill wise to Little.

Commander of Awesome;1146744 wrote:I agree with your first point, but I have an issue of reachign for lesser prospects with the first pick. Sorry but elite WR, QB, etc wont be there for the Browns. So why reach for a lesser talent? That never works out well for teams. Esp for a talent like Blackmon who in my opinion isn't even a #1 WR in this league and very similar skill wise to Little.

Blackmon has consistently been a top 10 pick, and for the most part a top 5 pick since the end of last season...how would that be a reach? Just because you personally don't like him doesn't make him a reach. I don't think Claiborne would be a reach even though I don't want him personally.

Besides, I'm all for a trade down...this conversation is all about who I would and wouldn't like at 4 IF we are actually picking at 4. There really isn't much there for the Browns at 4. There's no elite LB like there usually is. There isn't an elite QB outside of the first 2 picks. So it's either take a non sexy pick like Claiborne or Kalil..or upgrade probably the #1 position of need (WR) with Blackmon who has been projected around that spot since forever. Seems like an easy pick to me.

Edit: forgot Richardson too. So either a non sexy like Claiborne or Kalil, or a sexy pick like Blackmon or Richardson.

RB is just as big a need, if not bigger, than WR. If this team goes into 2012 with Hardesty, B-Jax, ObiWanKenobi & Armond Smith as the backs they are in deeper shit than I thought.

BR1986FB;1146753 wrote:RB is just as big a need, if not bigger, than WR. If this team goes into 2012 with Hardesty, B-Jax, ObiWanKenobi & Armond Smith as the backs they are in deeper shit than I thought.

Ehh..average RB's can at least do "okay" in the NFL..they can collectively run for 75-100 yards a game, with a few whiffs in there against really good run D's.

Average WRs don't do shit in this league. You NEED a #1 elite WR, you don't NEED a #1 elite RB.

Oh, I agree they need a quality WR but if they are sticking with McCoy they sure as Hell better have a VERY good RB and TE as his security blanket. The only way I see them possibly competing (didn't say winning) in these games is ball control (run the ball, play defense).

BR1986FB;1146758 wrote:Oh, I agree they need a quality WR but if they are sticking with McCoy they sure as Hell better have a VERY good RB and TE as his security blanket. The only way I see them possibly competing (didn't say winning) in these games is ball control (run the ball, play defense).

just not seeing the logic there...In order for your QB to succeed, don't upgrade the WR position, upgrade the RB position?

They NEED a WR, definitely but one would hope a RB/TE would open things up for him. I'm not necessarily sold on that but I think it will be H&H's mindset. They will get a WR but I just have my doubts it will be at #4.

All of this goes out the window if they continue to stack 8 in the box and shut down the run. In that case, a Stephen Hill type might open up the offense more than Blackmon.

SportsAndLady;1146719 wrote:Question..don't o-lineman taken in the top 10 usually have a decent fail rate? I feel like there have been a lot of busts at that position w/ a top pick. I could be completely wrong though.

Top linemen tend to always be the safest picks in the draft.

Get Cameron a full offseason of workouts/training camp plus a full preseason and I think you'll see him ready to step up this year. Guy made some plays when they did get him on the field. Cameron was drafted to be that guy you are referring to, might as well give him a shot.

Y-Town Steelhound;1146805 wrote:Get Cameron a full offseason of workouts/training camp plus a full preseason and I think you'll see him ready to step up this year. Guy made some plays when they did get him on the field. Cameron was drafted to be that guy you are referring to, might as well give him a shot.

Don't forget they have added a "new" WR in Evan Moore who is expected to switch positions.

BR1986FB;1146815 wrote:Don't forget they have added a "new" WR in Evan Moore who is expected to switch positions.

well good maybe after 4 years they will finally use them correctly. but i won't hold my breath

Go to the steelers thread for some lulz. They're already claiming 11-5, going to be tough with that schedule, no RB, and Charlie Batch as your QB.

Commander of Awesome;1146891 wrote:Go to the steelers thread for some lulz. They're already claiming 11-5, going to be tough with that schedule, no RB, and Charlie Batch as your QB.

Yeah, saw that. Also found a different pic of their new throwback uniforms...

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/18/cosell-talks-the-other-quarterbacks-of-2012-part-1/

"For Cousins to be successful, he must be managed and manipulated by the schematics of the passing game and the play calling. At this point, and that’s the critical caveat, he’s primarily a pocket passer with neither great size nor the overall skills of a pocket passer. The specific concepts of the pass game and how he’s coached will be the determining factors in his development."

Translation: Cousins sucks.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/28/cosell-talks-the-tannehill-project/

Commander of Awesome;1146894 wrote:http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/28/cosell-talks-the-tannehill-project/

Tannehill @ 4 would be an EPIC fail. You don't use high picks on a QB unless he's playing immediately. Tannehill would need to sit a year and you KNOW that wouldn't happen. Browns get off to an 0-3 start and we'll be hearing "Tannehill" chants.

We're being watched by Yinzers...:laugh: