hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 8, 2012 8:47pm
Exactly. You want FRANCHISE type players that early. Not a guy you HOPE can come on a provide us with a couple of extra worthless wins because you think that's improvement.like_that;1139756 wrote:Stop gaps are not worth a top 2 pick at all, especially when it isn't even close to a forgone conclusion that he will be productive.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 8, 2012 8:48pm
well thats where we differ. i think he is going to be a good qb. thats why im sticking up for him. and i only brought up his college stats because hoops compared weeden to DA which was just idiotic.like_that;1139753 wrote:I don't either, in fact I don't think many fans here see him being that good, but we sure as hell don't want to see an idiotic pick such as Tannehill or Weeden. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that. I'd much rather watch McCoy on a ****ty offense for another seasons than watch us waste a pick on a 29 y/o QB and watch what will also be a ****ty offense. You are getting way too infatuated with his college stats. If college stats were any indicator than Danny Weurfel, Jason White, Matt Leinart, Akilli Smith, Chris Weinke, that Hawaii QB, etc would have been stars in the NFL.
I'd much rather take Kellen Moore in the later rounds than Tannefail or Weeden in the earlier rounds. At least with Moore if he sucks we can put him on the bench and he can learn from watching. WTF do we do with Weeden if he turns out to suck ass? Put our 29 year old QB on the bench so he can watch for a few years? LMAO.
and it wouldn't be different from any other qb we have drafted and played since 99 cut him.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 8, 2012 8:49pm
That logic sucks too. "Oh we drafted some shitty QBs in the past, so what the fuck is another one if he turns out to suck ass?"shook_17;1139762 wrote:well thats where we differ. i think he is going to be a good qb. thats why im sticking up for him. and i only brought up his college stats because hoops compared weeden to DA which was just idiotic.
and it wouldn't be different from any other qb we have drafted and played since 99 cut him.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 8, 2012 8:50pm
The first three picks need to be a RB/WR/RT/OLB
It's as simple as that. Whatever they want to get after that go right ahead. But those needs are a lot more glaring than a 29 year old college qb being draft top 40 lol
It's as simple as that. Whatever they want to get after that go right ahead. But those needs are a lot more glaring than a 29 year old college qb being draft top 40 lol
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 8, 2012 8:52pm
im obviously being sarcastic. damn man. the whole draft is a "what if" crap shoot. what if RGIII and Luck suck ass.like_that;1139763 wrote:That logic sucks too. "Oh we drafted some ****ty QBs in the past, so what the **** is another one if he turns out to suck ass?"
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 8, 2012 8:54pm
They have more of a chance of being successful than Weeden and Tannehill thats for sure. I still wouldn't have given up 3 first rd picks for RG3 though mainly for that reason. The point of the draft is to make the most educated guesses with your picks, not go into it with a "what the hell, why not" crap shoot approach.shook_17;1139767 wrote:im obviously being sarcastic. damn man. the whole draft is a "what if" crap shoot. what if RGIII and Luck suck ass.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 8, 2012 8:55pm
Here's some news for you bro, when comparing two QB's for the NFL, it's not about college stats. It's about what they bring both physically and mentally.shook_17;1139762 wrote:well thats where we differ. i think he is going to be a good qb. thats why im sticking up for him. and i only brought up his college stats because hoops compared weeden to DA which was just idiotic.
and it wouldn't be different from any other qb we have drafted and played since 99 cut him.
Weeden and DA are equal size and I referenced that because you keep brining up "big arm". Weeden is 29 and has poor pocket presence and gets rushed under pressure. Those are HUGE negatives. DA also got rushed under pressure.
When a QB panics, mistakes happen. When mistakes happen, you'll be the guy bitching for his 29 year old ass to ride the pine.
Hell, we might as well go grab Tiki Barber too, at least he actually performed in the NFL.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 8, 2012 8:56pm
lol no shit. well maybe the team will get there act together and we can all agree on the qb situation one daylike_that;1139768 wrote:They have more of a chance of being successful than Weeden and Tannehill thats for sure. I still wouldn't have given up 3 first rd picks for RG3 though mainly for that reason. The point of the draft is to make the most educated guesses with your picks, not go into it with a "what the hell, why not" crap shoot approach.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 8, 2012 8:59pm
The draft can't come soon enough, or at least some Browns related news needs to come around this week. This talk about Weeden is ridiculous. I can't believe we dedicated this many pages on discussing him smh.
Aren't players allowed to work out at facilities now? Any word on Cleveland guys working hard in Cleveland, or some shit?
Aren't players allowed to work out at facilities now? Any word on Cleveland guys working hard in Cleveland, or some shit?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 8, 2012 9:03pm
like_that;1139773 wrote:The draft can't come soon enough, or at least some Browns related news needs to come around this week. This talk about Weeden is ridiculous. I can't believe we dedicated this many pages on discussing him smh.
Aren't players allowed to work out at facilities now? Any word on Cleveland guys working hard in Cleveland, or some ****?
these next two weeks leading up to the draft are going to go by slow, thats for damn sure.i think they started last week, didn't they?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 8, 2012 9:04pm
You don't draft stop gaps...period. You sign a veteran if you are looking for a stop gap to get you to your future...I.E. Matt Hasselbecklike_that;1139756 wrote:Stop gaps are not worth a top 2 pick at all, especially when it isn't even close to a forgone conclusion that he will be productive.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 8, 2012 9:07pm
Bingo. If the Browns wanted a stop gap QB they could've signed Matt Flynn or something.wes_mantooth;1139780 wrote:You don't draft stop gaps...period. You sign a veteran if you are looking for a stop gap to get you to your future...I.E. Matt Hasselbeck
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Apr 8, 2012 9:10pm
id actually prefer him as opposed to selecting one of the tards in the draftwes_mantooth;1139780 wrote:You don't draft stop gaps...period. You sign a veteran if you are looking for a stop gap to get you to your future...I.E. Matt Hasselbeck
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Apr 8, 2012 10:28pm
I can't wait to see you all eat crow on Weeden. I will be the first to admit I was wrong but I think Weeden will make a big impact for a team. I think he will be a better pro QB than RGIII.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 9, 2012 8:04am
I'll be sure to remember this post to rub in your face.buckeyes_woowee;1139827 wrote:I can't wait to see you all eat crow on Weeden. I will be the first to admit I was wrong but I think Weeden will make a big impact for a team. I think he will be a better pro QB than RGIII.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 9, 2012 8:26am
^^^ wow. did you really say a bigger impact than RG3? thats fucking crazy.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 9, 2012 8:27am
Anyone watch the Gruden QB camps? I was impressed with Luck. Not so much with Weeden. I missed RGIII. If Gruden does a good job of showing the "football" smarts in his thirty minute shows I would stay away from Weeden.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 9, 2012 8:37am
Well, as much as I don't want Weeden, I will be fair. Last year he made Cam Newton look like an idiot who doesn't know shit, and last season worked out for Cam.OneBuckeye;1139888 wrote:Any watch the Gruden QB camps? I was impressed with Luck. Not so much with Weeden. I missed RGIII. If Gruden does a good job of showing the "football" smarts in his thirty minute shows I would stay away from Weeden.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 9, 2012 8:39am
I thought Weeden looked more like a tard than Cam did last year. But, point taken.like_that;1139892 wrote:Well, as much as I don't want Weeden, I will be fair. Last year he made Cam Newton look like an idiot who doesn't know shit, and last season worked out for Cam.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Apr 9, 2012 8:42am
Cam couldn't even draw up one play lol.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 9, 2012 8:47am
Weeden was like... I just throw it to the hot route. Or he drew up a play where he read the Will LB and threw it down the seam if he was off the WR or handed it off otherwise and they just repeated that play over and over to beat Baylor.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 9, 2012 8:48am
Yeah, with that being said, I also was far from impressed with Weeden.OneBuckeye;1139896 wrote:Weeden was like... I just throw it to the hot route. Or he drew up a play where he read the Will LB and threw it down the seam if he was off the WR or handed it off otherwise and they just repeated that play over and over to beat Baylor.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 9, 2012 8:49am
Also if Steve Smith was not on the Panthers Cam Newton doesn't do what he did last year.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 9, 2012 9:17am
^ bullshit
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 9, 2012 9:22am
Newton had a plethora of dynamic weapons around him...Steve Smith is one of the better WRs in the NFL when healthy, which he was for the most part last year.shook_17;1139905 wrote:^ bullshit
It's not like Newton is this super freak QB who figured out how to not suck in his rookie year...he just was put in a perfect situation (weapons, offense molded around him, defense was terrible which allowed for more offensive possessions, etc.)
We'll see how good he'll be in his 2nd year, when NFL D coordinators have some game tape to look at.