BR1986FB;1139378 wrote:The Hall of Famer comment was sarcasm (obviously not detected) but it's funny how the McCoy supporters excuse is ALWAYS 'well look how XYZ Hall of Fame QB started his career" and some idiot wants to bash Weeden because it's a given he will be Henson or Weinke.' Never facts, just emotions...

it has nothing to do with bashing weeden. He may turn out great. I've said all along if they want to draft him outside of our first 3 picks, then great do it. I just don't see the need to draft him with those first 3, when we have such glaring needs at RT(i mean shit, our starting RT is Oniel Cousins. a fucking practice squad player for the ravens), WR, RB, OLB. It's nothing to do with emotion, it's everything to do with needs in order. McCoy may not be your guy, but he's had a year in the NFL to get adjusted to the speed and has shown he CAN MANAGE GAMES. You are blind to think he can't given the tools around him.

Yet you bring the argument taht someone with no NFL experience can come in and make a difference "because he has arm strength" LOL and you talk about us being McCoy nut huggers. We are more sane than you are with this whole thing.

DeyDurkie5;1139380 wrote:it has nothing to do with bashing weeden. He may turn out great. I've said all along if they want to draft him outside of our first 3 picks, then great do it. I just don't see the need to draft him with those first 3, when we have such glaring needs at RT(i mean shit, our starting RT is Oniel Cousins. a fucking practice squad player for the ravens), WR, RB, OLB. It's nothing to do with emotion, it's everything to do with needs in order. McCoy may not be your guy, but he's had a year in the NFL to get adjusted to the speed and has shown he CAN MANAGE GAMES. You are blind to think he can't given the tools around him.

Yet you bring the argument taht someone with no NFL experience can come in and make a difference "because he has arm strength" LOL and you talk about us being McCoy nut huggers. We are more sane than you are with this whole thing.

So Newton & Dalton didn't step in last year and thrive? And STOP with the "one year" crap with McCoy. He's going into his THIRD year. With that mentality the H&H regime are really only starting their "2nd, second year" instead of their third.

You're NOT going to win in the AFC North with a "game manager." Flacco & Dalton may not be elite but they are going to beat McCoy in a shootout. Roethlisberger is a given. The excuses for Lil Pony continue...

DeyDurkie5;1139380 wrote: You are blind to think he can't given the tools around him.
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Actually BR thought McCoy deserved a shot being surrounded by weapons (EDIT: LIKE DALTON AND NEWTON HAD). It was quoted. Then we didn't do that, but now he no longer deserves to chance to play surrounded by weapons, also a BR sentiment.

I don't understand why we keep arguing with a nut-hugging hypocrite. His anti-McCoy conceptual nut-hugging is way worse than anyone that argues in favor of McCoy.

I'm done addressing BR until he makes a non-biased or intelligent argument instead of playing spin doctor and inserting assumptions where they don't belong.

lhslep134;1139386 wrote:Actually BR thought McCoy deserved a shot being surrounded by weapons (EDIT: LIKE DALTON AND NEWTON HAD). It was quoted. Then we didn't do that, but now he no longer deserves to chance to play surrounded by weapons, also a BR quote.

My reasoning was already addressed. Weapons will make no difference.

BR1986FB;1139384 wrote:So Newton & Dalton didn't step in last year and thrive? And STOP with the "one year" crap with McCoy. He's going into his THIRD year. With that mentality the H&H regime are really only starting their "2nd, second year" instead of their third.

You're NOT going to win in the AFC North with a "game manager." Flacco & Dalton may not be elite but they are going to beat McCoy in a shootout. Roethlisberger is a given. The excuses for Lil Pony continue...

Newton and Dalton did well becuase they had OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, GOOD OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS/PLAYCALLING, AND GOOD OFFENSIVE LINES. He's going into his third year, with one full year of being a starter under his belt. That first year was him being thrust into the starting lineup, going the whole year thinking he wouldn't play, and did pretty damn well. Not to mention, if they don't blow the jet's game they are on a 3 game winning streak and heading into the final stretch with A LOT of momentum.

I don't get the lil pony comments. McCoy is tough as shit and showed it throughout the season. You are unreal. Truly out of your mind and know nothing about the browns.

Trent Dilfer on ESPN recently was stressing the importance of teams getting franchise QB's at all costs because the days of teams winning QB's with game managers like him that need a "perfect storm" are over.

He was very blunt in saying that him and Brad Johnson are the only 2 non-elite QB's in the past 20 years to win a super bowl, and that they needed what are possibly the 2 best defenses since the 85 Bears (the Ravens in 2000 and Tampa in 2002) to do it.

The goal is to find a QB that lifts up the play of everyone around him, not one that needs everyone around him to carry him so the team has a shot.

IggyPride00;1139392 wrote:Trent Dilfer on ESPN recently was stressing the importance of teams getting franchise QB's at all costs because the days of teams winning QB's with game managers like him that need a "perfect storm" are over.

He was very blunt in saying that him and Brad Johnson are the only 2 non-elite QB's in the past 20 years to win a super bowl, and that they needed what are possibly the 2 best defenses since the 85 Bears (the Ravens in 2000 and Tampa in 2002) to do it.

The goal is to find a QB that lifts up the play of everyone around him, not one that needs everyone around him to carry him so the team has a shot.

well shut the books, throw your next 33 drafts at the colts and redskins, and get andrew luck and RG3!!!!!!!!

DeyDurkie5;1139390 wrote: I don't get the lil pony comments. McCoy is tough as shit and showed it throughout the season. You are unreal. Truly out of your mind and know nothing about the browns.

You mean the guy who whined about being "hazed" by Daboll/Mangini, had to have his daddy protect him by bitching to the media, who often stood on the sidelines with him arms crossed, pouting when things didn't go his way? That "tough" guy? I've changed my beliefs on him being so "tough" too.

BR1986FB;1139394 wrote:You mean the guy who whined about being "hazed" by Daboll/Mangini, had to have his daddy protect him by bitching to the media, who often stood on the sidelines with him arms crossed, pouting when things didn't go his way? That "tough" guy? I've changed my beliefs on him being so "tough" too.

LOL you even said it yourself, and I think you posted the link, about that hazing and said it was ridiculous he could even do well in that type of situation. His dad was sticking up for his son because he got sent back in with a concussion. Colt can't control that. Peyton manning bitched on the sidelines after a bunch of fucked up plays, so what? get the fuck out of here with that shit

IggyPride00;1139392 wrote:Trent Dilfer on ESPN recently was stressing the importance of teams getting franchise QB's at all costs because the days of teams winning QB's with game managers like him that need a "perfect storm" are over.

He was very blunt in saying that him and Brad Johnson are the only 2 non-elite QB's in the past 20 years to win a super bowl, and that they needed what are possibly the 2 best defenses since the 85 Bears (the Ravens in 2000 and Tampa in 2002) to do it.

The goal is to find a QB that lifts up the play of everyone around him, not one that needs everyone around him to carry him so the team has a shot.

Well said.

Kudos to Dilfer for having the sack to admit this. In this division, they aren't even going to sniff a division title with this QB trying to win running the ball/shutdown defense (aka "perfect storm"). There's NO margin for error with a QB like McCoy. Elite QB's (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc) screw up (throw a pick 6, fumble for a TD, etc) and they can get that back in the blink of an eye...McCoy or any other QB on the Browns roster currently, cannot. In other words, Colt McCoy might not lose you many games, because he IS very good at protecting the ball, but he sure as Hell isn't going to win many with his arm either.

DeyDurkie5;1139396 wrote:LOL you even said it yourself, and I think you posted the link, about that hazing and said it was ridiculous he could even do well in that type of situation. His dad was sticking up for his son because he got sent back in with a concussion. Colt can't control that. Peyton manning bitched on the sidelines after a bunch of fucked up plays, so what? get the fuck out of here with that shit

It WAS ridiculous that McCoy was hazed like that but keep that shit in house instead of being a whiny bitch to the media.

BR=worst Browns fan ever

I'm going to get that notarized tomorrow at work

SportsAndLady;1139399 wrote:BR=worst Browns fan ever

I'm going to get that notarized tomorrow at work

Yeah, since I'm not a "go with the flow sheep/ultimate homer/this regime can do no wrong" kind of person and I question things that makes me a "bad" fan. :rolleyes:

IggyPride00;1139392 wrote:
The goal is to find a QB that lifts up the play of everyone around him, not one that needs everyone around him to carry him so the team has a shot.

It's a 2 way street. No QB has a chance of succeeding with a terrible OL, no RB, and WRs who lead the league in drops. Sometimes a team is good enough to carry a mediocre QB to 10 wins (see Cassel, Matt of the NE Pats).

BR1986FB;1139409 wrote:Yeah, since I'm not a "go with the flow sheep/ultimate homer/this regime can do no wrong" kind of person and I question things that makes me a "bad" fan. :rolleyes:

No I didn't say bad fan...I said the worst fan ever. And it doesn't really have to do with any of the stuff you said.

SportsAndLady;1139413 wrote:No I didn't say bad fan...I said the worst fan ever. And it doesn't really have to do with any of the stuff you said.

Humor me...explain

http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/04/2012-nfl-draft-first-twitter-mock-qb.html

BR1986FB;1139415 wrote:Humor me...explain

No getting into arguments with you creeps me out

lhslep134;1139358 wrote:Tell me again how good Drew Henson was? Thanks

I can't understand people's infatuation's with film of him or Tannehill playing against terrible defenses. Ryan Mallett is a better prospect than Tannehill or Weeden, putting up better efficiency stats in a MUCH harder conference.

Agreed. Although I wasn't really that impressed with Mallet either (DA 2.0 imo), I'd rather take him (or a player similar to him) in the 3rd round instead of taking a guy like Weeden or Tannehill in the 3rd round, let alone the fucking top 2 rounds.

lhslep134;1139371 wrote:If you choose to interpret it that way, be my guest, I'm merely saying Weeden is a lateral move at best, hence a waste of a pick if taken before the 3rd round.

+1

Even if he is better, it would be such a minuscule amount that nobody would even notice the difference, especially with the lack of offensive weapons.

Just because we don't want to draft a shitty QB/make a lateral move doesn't mean we are "McCoy supporters/nut huggers." There is a huge difference.

BR1986FB;1139384 wrote:So Newton & Dalton didn't step in last year and thrive? And STOP with the "one year" crap with McCoy. He's going into his THIRD year. With that mentality the H&H regime are really only starting their "2nd, second year" instead of their third.

You're NOT going to win in the AFC North with a "game manager." Flacco & Dalton may not be elite but they are going to beat McCoy in a shootout. Roethlisberger is a given. The excuses for Lil Pony continue...

I didn't know Dalton, Newton, and Weeden were triplets :rolleyes:.

IggyPride00;1139392 wrote:Trent Dilfer on ESPN recently was stressing the importance of teams getting franchise QB's at all costs because the days of teams winning QB's with game managers like him that need a "perfect storm" are over.

He was very blunt in saying that him and Brad Johnson are the only 2 non-elite QB's in the past 20 years to win a super bowl, and that they needed what are possibly the 2 best defenses since the 85 Bears (the Ravens in 2000 and Tampa in 2002) to do it.

The goal is to find a QB that lifts up the play of everyone around him, not one that needs everyone around him to carry him so the team has a shot.

I stopped reading at "Trent Dilfer."

BR1986FB;1139398 wrote:It WAS ridiculous that McCoy was hazed like that but keep that shit in house instead of being a whiny bitch to the media.

Im pretty sure a lot of other guys brought the hazing to attention, not just McCoy. You are making it seem like during the middle of the season, McCoy decided to call the media and QQ about how he was hazed last year lol. The article included quotes from other players about how ridiculous it was, and how McCoy handled it very well. In fact they all said they were impressed with his composure, and the article stated McCoy was a professional and shook their hands when they were fired and on their way out. To make him sound like a little bitch because of that article is just plain ridiculous, especially since when you originally posted that article there was nothing coming from you about how McCoy is a bitch.

If Richardson and Kalil are there at 4, who do you take?

It would be hard to pass up on either of those two. Kalil solidifies your line. Richardson gives you immediate offensive fire power.

DeyDurkie5;1139436 wrote:If Richardson and Kalil are there at 4, who do you take?

It would be hard to pass up on either of those two. Kalil solidifies your line. Richardson gives you immediate offensive fire power.

Give me kalil, then if they want trich so much they can try trading back up to get him.

DeyDurkie5;1139436 wrote:If Richardson and Kalil are there at 4, who do you take?

It would be hard to pass up on either of those two. Kalil solidifies your line. Richardson gives you immediate offensive fire power.

Kalil is an easy one for me, or trade down, I am sure you can get a great offer for him. If you get Kalil you can get a solid RB in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

DeyDurkie5;1139436 wrote:If Richardson and Kalil are there at 4, who do you take?

It would be hard to pass up on either of those two. Kalil solidifies your line. Richardson gives you immediate offensive fire power.

Richardson. Kalil will be plugged in at a position where he'd be out of place. I like Kalil but I'm taking Richardson there even though not a fan of taking a RB that high.

I'd be partial to kalil. Solidifies your line.

We could go WR/RB with the next two picks. I like David Wilson/Lamichael James with one of those picks if we don't get Richardson.

DeyDurkie5;1139446 wrote:I'd be partial to kalil. Solidifies your line.

We could go WR/RB with the next two picks. I like David Wilson/Lamichael James with one of those picks if we don't get Richardson.

I'd be pretty happy with if that is how our first 3 picks go.