like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:12am
Plzz tell me what you would have done this off season to make the Browns a playoff contender this season. Thanks.Skyhook79;1123696 wrote:PLZZZZZZZ be patient the 5 year plan is right on track.
This. If you want to be a top draft pick, you oughta expect that a shitty team is going to draft you, because normally a team with a shitty record has a high draft pick. If you don't like the fact a shitty team drafted you, then work hard to make them better.Commander of Awesome;1123727 wrote:Who gives a FUCK what a 20 year old WR thinks. Winning cures all.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:20am
lol @ QQ pride. Just for the record, Megatron's second year with fucking Jon Kitna as the QB had 78 receptions, 1,331 yards, and 12 TDs.Commander of Awesome;1123730 wrote:This couldn't be further from the truth. Look at Greg Little, a guy with 45 drops and he still got 61 catches for 709 yds, as a ROOKIE who didn't play football the year before. Guys on this team aren't putting up megatron numbers because they're not Megatron Calvin Johnson. LMAO if you honestly think no one is putting up record breaking numbers on this team because of the system. Its the fact hat they're not 6'5" running 4.3. Talent not system is the issue at WR.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:25am
Great point, his rookie year he had comparable numbers to Little, 756 yds and 4 TDs. I'm sure he was QQing then and wanting to get out of Detroit because of their system. /sarcasm.like_that;1123735 wrote:lol @ QQ pride. Just for the record, Megatron's second year with fucking Jon Kitna as the QB had 78 receptions, 1,331 yards, and 12 TDs.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:25am
I wouldn't have hired Shurmur to begin with. This team is going to be set back another 3-5 years because of that hire.like_that;1123731 wrote:Plzz tell me what you would have done this off season to make the Browns a playoff contender this season. Thanks.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:27am
Kitna then> McCoy and it's not close.like_that;1123735 wrote:lol @ QQ pride. Just for the record, Megatron's second year with fucking Jon Kitna as the QB had 78 receptions, 1,331 yards, and 12 TDs.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 22, 2012 9:27am
Shurmur has called plays for 3 seasons in the NFL. Never had a receiver break 900 yards.
I am sure it is all the receivers though, and nothing to do with the playcalling. It is everyone else's fault.
I am sure it is all the receivers though, and nothing to do with the playcalling. It is everyone else's fault.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:30am
HE also lacked Talent at the WR position, which you conveniently brush over. What I've grown to expect from you though, nothing but spin control when facts get thrown in your face.QQPride00;1123741 wrote:Shurmur has called plays for 3 seasons in the NFL. Never had a receiver break 900 yards.
I am sure it is all the receivers though, and nothing to do with the playcalling. It is everyone else's fault.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:32am
Well, I don't disagree with you there, that hired pissed me off from the beggining, but I asked what you would do THIS offseason to turn this team into a playoff contender.Skyhook79;1123738 wrote:I wouldn't have hired Shurmur to begin with. This team is going to be set back another 3-5 years because of that hire.
Since you place high value on wins (see your tebow nut hugging), Kitna was 0-16 that year, McCoy at least got 4 wins this past season. Nice fail though.Skyhook79;1123740 wrote:Kitna then> McCoy and it's not close.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2012 9:36am
Kitna still a much better QB than McCoy.like_that;1123746 wrote: Since you place high value on wins (see your tebow nut hugging), Kitna was 0-16 that year, McCoy at least got 4 wins this past season. Nice fail though.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:39am
Kitna played 4 games that year.like_that;1123746 wrote:Well, I don't disagree with you there, that hired pissed me off from the beggining, but I asked what you would do THIS offseason to turn this team into a playoff contender.
Since you place high value on wins (see your tebow nut hugging), Kitna was 0-16 that year, McCoy at least got 4 wins this past season. Nice fail though.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:39am
He is better (mainly due to exp), but much better is a stretch. Kitna fucking sucks. Your blind hatred for McCoy is a joke when you are coming out with those statements, and trying to back failhook. The fact of the matter is the WR stats were thrown in iggy's face which proved what he said was wrong. Kitna wouldn't have made Greg Little a fucking 1000+ yard reciever his rookie year.BR1986FB;1123750 wrote:Kitna still a much better QB than McCoy.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:40am
Ok, then they had Dan orlovosky, and Drew Stanton as their QBs and megatron still put up those stats. Thanks for proving my point even further.Skyhook79;1123753 wrote:Kitna played 4 games that year.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 22, 2012 9:40am
The "Fact" is that receivers aren't successful in Pat Shumur's offense.nothing but spin control when facts get thrown in your face.
The "spin" is your attempt to divert the blame to everyone but Shurmur and blame it on lack of talent.
What you are admitting instead is that Shumur can't coach anyone up, or put them in a position to succeed. In either case, it is an indictment on his ability as an offensive headcoach.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:41am
Kitna played 16 games CJ's rookie year.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:42am
So you're saying that if the Browns had Calvin Johnson, he wouldn't put up 1000 yds bc of Shurmur's system?IggyPride00;1123756 wrote:The "Fact" is that receivers aren't successful in Pat Shumur's offense.
The "spin" is your attempt to divert the blame to everyone but Shurmur and blame it on lack of talent.
What you are admitting instead is that Shumur can't coach anyone up, or put them in a position to succeed. In either case, it is an indictment on his ability as an offensive headcoach.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:43am
Career 60% and 30,000 yds passing as a back-up mostly on some real crappy teams. Yeah he threw a lot of int's but see "crappy teams" he played for.like_that;1123754 wrote:He is better (mainly due to exp), but much better is a stretch. Kitna fucking sucks. Your blind hatred for McCoy is a joke when you are coming out with those statements, and trying to back failhook. The fact of the matter is the WR stats were thrown in iggy's face which proved what he said was wrong. Kitna wouldn't have made Greg Little a fucking 1000+ yard reciever his rookie year.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:44am
I said he was better, due to his experience in the NFL, but MUCH BETTER (as br would put it) is just a stretch.Skyhook79;1123763 wrote:Career 60% and 30,000 yds passing as a back-up mostly on some real crappy teams. Yeah he threw a lot of int's but see "crappy teams" he played for.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:44am
When you are losing every game and behind every game you are going to get a lot passing yds in garbage time.like_that;1123755 wrote:Ok, then they had Dan orlovosky, and Drew Stanton as their QBs and megatron still put up those stats. Thanks for proving my point even further.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:46am
Also you are just proving my point that Kitna sucks. Every team Kitna has played for has been a crappy team. See the correlation there? Kitna sucks, his teams suck. hmmmmm.Skyhook79;1123763 wrote:Career 60% and 30,000 yds passing as a back-up mostly on some real crappy teams. Yeah he threw a lot of int's but see "crappy teams" he played for.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:48am
You proved your own point, Kitna was pretty much garbage and his team suffered becuase of his terrible QB play. See Peyton Manning, his team goes from a 12 win to 2 win team when he doesn't play. Good Qbs make their team better, Kitna never did, so yeah he sucks. Regardless of how many games he played.Skyhook79;1123767 wrote:When you are losing every game and behind every game you are going to get a lot passing yds in garbage time.
Now enough with the fucking Kitna talk. This is a browns thread.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Mar 22, 2012 9:48am
Im fine with how free agency has played out so far. BUT, If the Browns are terrible once again this year and STILL dont try and get an impact player through FA next year then im going 2 start getting pissed.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 22, 2012 9:49am
Most likely he wouldn't because a) how much the ball is spread out among multiple receivers and b) because of who is throwing him the ball. He'd have to have damn near 100 catches just to get 1000 yards in this system.Commander of Awesome;1123762 wrote:So you're saying that if the Browns had Calvin Johnson, he wouldn't put up 1000 yds bc of Shurmur's system?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 22, 2012 9:51am
'BR1986FB;1123774 wrote:Most likely he wouldn't because a) how much the ball is spread out among multiple receivers and b) because of who is throwing him the ball. He'd have to have damn near 100 catches just to get 1000 yards in this system.
Come on. You don't think Shurmur would try to get a super star WR more looks?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 22, 2012 9:52am
4 years later and after Matt (the worst GM ever) Millen left.Commander of Awesome;1123771 wrote:You proved your own point, Kitna was pretty much garbage and his team suffered becuase of his terrible QB play. See Peyton Manning, his team goes from a 12 win to 2 win team when he doesn't play. Good Qbs make their team better, Kitna never did, so yeah he sucks. Regardless of how many games he played.
Now enough with the fucking Kitna talk. This is a browns thread.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 22, 2012 9:53am
Elite WRs get 100 catches. Also LMAO, you're getting delusional. Calvin Johnson would get 1000 yds on a triple option team.BR1986FB;1123774 wrote:Most likely he wouldn't because a) how much the ball is spread out among multiple receivers and b) because of who is throwing him the ball. He'd have to have damn near 100 catches just to get 1000 yards in this system.