like_that;1013516 wrote:You have had shitty attempts to troll, but this might be the worst I have ever seen. Quit trying so hard, and keep praying. God might have mercy on your pathetic soul.

Yeah 59-117 is from bad coaching not bad drafting. #like_thatlogic

You have to protect your team mates. That is like Rule 1A in team sports. My son was ejected from a HS game and suspended for the following game this past season for punching an opponent who hit his RB after the whistle. That is the kind of shit we need more of in the NFL. Some teams have it, some don't. However, it is such a fine line anymore. I like some of the zero to low tolerance things Goodell has done, but the lines seem a little fuzzy at times.

Skyhook79;1013523 wrote:Yeah 59-117 is from bad coaching not bad drafting. #like_thatlogic

He said "draft an asshole" which would imply a jerk, a villain. You interpreted asshole to mean crappy player.

Skyhook79;1013523 wrote:Yeah 59-117 is from bad coaching not bad drafting. #like_thatlogic

Where did I say that? It is obviously a combination of both drafting and coaching. #failhookspinfail

The fact of the matter is the Browns have not drafted any assholes, and it has reflected on the team's personality since they have been back. Not surprised you are too dumb to realize that. That's why your troll attempt was a complete stretch and idiotic. #everythinggoingoverfailhookshead

Every team needs that one guy.

BR1986FB;1013530 wrote:He said "draft an asshole" which would imply a jerk, a villain. You interpreted asshole to mean crappy player.

I am glad you spelled that out for him. Thanks for taking on the responsibility. It gets old holding his hand time after time.

THE4RINGZ;1013441 wrote:One game, and $50K.

Then he will call Goodell a "***" again.

And he'll still be right.

McCoy had tucked the ball and ran with the ball tucked for 4 or 5 strides. He became a ball carrier.

According to Mike Florio:

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away. On the play in question, McCoy was moving toward the line of scrimmage as a runner, before flipping the ball while on the move to Montario Hardesty in a maneuver that looked almost like an option play, with a slightly forward pass in lieu of a lateral getting the ball from the quarterback to the tailback.
Harrison will claim that he believed McCoy was attempting to advance the ball as a runner. And that raises an interesting question regarding the ability of quarterbacks to bait defensive players into illegal hits.

The suspension is not warranted.

Fine him sure, but a suspension for that hit is borderline ridiculous. The NFL is glorified 2 hand touch now a days

Between the Dbs not being able to hit Wr's going after the ball because theyre "defenseless" to D linemen getting flagged for getting blocked and hitting the QB low or grazing their head with their arm while tackling them, its starting to go overboard with how much they protect players

Prescott;1013546 wrote:McCoy had tucked the ball and ran with the ball tucked for 4 or 5 strides. He became a ball carrier.

According to Mike Florio:

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away. On the play in question, McCoy was moving toward the line of scrimmage as a runner, before flipping the ball while on the move to Montario Hardesty in a maneuver that looked almost like an option play, with a slightly forward pass in lieu of a lateral getting the ball from the quarterback to the tailback.
Harrison will claim that he believed McCoy was attempting to advance the ball as a runner. And that raises an interesting question regarding the ability of quarterbacks to bait defensive players into illegal hits.

Florio's a jackass. "Yeah, let's see if I can 'bait' a 250+ lb freight train named James Harrison to spear me with his helmet so I'll draw a 15 yarder....really had no use for that brain anyway." :rolleyes:

I don't think baiting is the right word, I think it was one of those plays that happens fast and see you see an open reciever. I am not defending Harrison, I think he had an opportunity to go lower than he did. I, do, however believe he (Harrison) thought McCoy was going to run the ball.

Florio's a jackass.

That's what I would say if I didn't agree with the expert.

McCoy was a ball carrier just as Mendenhall was when Gucong hit him with the crown of his helmet. Was a flag warranted on that play??


Gucong hit Mendenhall right up under the facemask, nearly turning his helmet sideways. Did Gucong lead with the crown of his helmet? You bet he did! Did Gucong make helmet=to-helmet contact. Hell yes he did! Was Gucong penalized on the play. Hell no he wasn’t. He hit a running back. Which was EXACTLY what McCoy was on that play until he flipped the ball out to Hardesty at the last moment before taking the hit.

Prescott;1013568 wrote:That's what I would say if I didn't agree with the expert.


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or just call him a homer or Rockne

THE4RINGZ;1013567 wrote:I don't think baiting is the right word, I think it was one of those plays that happens fast and see you see an open reciever. I am not defending Harrison, I think he had an opportunity to go lower than he did. I, do, however believe he (Harrison) thought McCoy was going to run the ball.

Prescott;1013568 wrote:That's what I would say if I didn't agree with the expert.

McCoy was a ball carrier just as Mendenhall was when Gucong hit him with the crown of his helmet. Was a flag warranted on that play??


Gucong hit Mendenhall right up under the facemask, nearly turning his helmet sideways. Did Gucong lead with the crown of his helmet? You bet he did! Did Gucong make helmet=to-helmet contact. Hell yes he did! Was Gucong penalized on the play. Hell no he wasn’t. He hit a running back. Which was EXACTLY what McCoy was on that play until he flipped the ball out to Hardesty at the last moment before taking the hit.

I agree with both of those. I don't think this particularly play was anything I'd call cheap or dirty, but Harrison has had a reputation for head shots in the past and wasn't going to get ANY benefit of the doubt. I was hoping there'd just be a fine, but was expecting a short suspension. If a person's been known for something and they do that thing...even if they haven't in some time...they'll get a more harsh punishment.

At least, since a suspension was a result, we can take consolation in how he got suspended for a play that did have an effect on the game's outcome. It'd really suck if he was going to miss a game for a play he made when the outcome was already decided or that didn't matter at all in deciding it.

Speaking of that, will anything happen to the Browns for apparently not testing him and putting him back in? I know the league has been more concerned about concussions and has a testing system up for players who suffered head shots to make sure they're okay. The impression I have is that Cleveland's staff ignored that (since McCoy only missed two plays which a Yahoo blog entry commented took up about 80 seconds of real time) and took the "he said he's okay, so who are we to argue?" direction. But is that sideline medical testing mandatory for head shots, or just something the league advises that teams do?

The medical staff in Cleveland has just as bad of a reputation as Harrison does. I believe the league will look into the sideline treatment of McCoy after the hit. To ignore the situation is irresponsible.

Heretic;1013590 wrote:Speaking of that, will anything happen to the Browns for apparently not testing him and putting him back in? I know the league has been more concerned about concussions and has a testing system up for players who suffered head shots to make sure they're okay. The impression I have is that Cleveland's staff ignored that (since McCoy only missed two plays which a Yahoo blog entry commented took up about 80 seconds of real time) and took the "he said he's okay, so who are we to argue?" direction. But is that sideline medical testing mandatory for head shots, or just something the league advises that teams do?

The NFLPA's medical reps, I believe, were to be in Cleveland soon (maybe today) to investigate this.

I'd expect some punishment in that I don't think they actually tested McCoy until Friday.

When he went to the sidelines he also had a hand injury. It looked like they took care of the hand and didn't bother testing him for the concussion. He told Shurmur he was "good to go" and players said he was fine.

Now whether this was delayed onset or what (I don't know), but after they returned to Cleveland he had to have Evan Moore drive him home. They also requested "no lights" in his presser.

The Browns trainers/medical staff definitely dropped the ball on this but this is ONE thing I WON'T blame Shurmur for. He's not a doctor and if his trainers say "he's ok to play" then he takes their word for it.

BR1986FB;1013607 wrote:The NFLPA's medical reps, I believe, were to be in Cleveland soon (maybe today) to investigate this.

I'd expect some punishment in that I don't think they actually tested McCoy until Friday.

When he went to the sidelines he also had a hand injury. It looked like they took care of the hand and didn't bother testing him for the concussion. He told Shurmur he was "good to go" and players said he was fine.

Now whether this was delayed onset or what (I don't know), but after they returned to Cleveland he had to have Evan Moore drive him home. They also requested "no lights" in his presser.

The Browns trainers/medical staff definitely dropped the ball on this but this is ONE thing I WON'T blame Shurmur for. He's not a doctor and if his trainers say "he's ok to play" then he takes their word for it.

Thanks for the clarification. Since I was listening on the radio (to the Steelers team), I didn't have much to go by as to what the Browns staff did other than a blog entry I read which just gave the base facts (that he wasn't out for long and that concussion stuff was coming out after the fact).

Definately not Shurmer's call. The concussion test should be automatic when a player takes a shot like that, regardless of what the player says. But the medical staff works for the team, which creates a whole different set of challenges.

They were actually being kinda shady about the whole thing too. Normal Monday press conferences are scheduled for 12:30pm. They tried to kind of pull a fast one by bumping the time up to 12:05pm and not giving the media notice. Think they hoped nobody would attend to ask Shurmur questions.

When Shurmur was asked if a Browns medical/trainer team member would "be available for questions" Shurmur said something to the effect of "I don't know how to do that?" Herp derp WTF?

Prescott;1013546 wrote:McCoy had tucked the ball and ran with the ball tucked for 4 or 5 strides. He became a ball carrier.

According to Mike Florio:

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away. On the play in question, McCoy was moving toward the line of scrimmage as a runner, before flipping the ball while on the move to Montario Hardesty in a maneuver that looked almost like an option play, with a slightly forward pass in lieu of a lateral getting the ball from the quarterback to the tailback.
Harrison will claim that he believed McCoy was attempting to advance the ball as a runner. And that raises an interesting question regarding the ability of quarterbacks to bait defensive players into illegal hits.

The suspension is not warranted.

The fact he is a QB at all is irrelevant. The NFL call helmet-to-helmet no matter who or what position. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but it's the way it is.

Hb31187;1013548 wrote:Fine him sure, but a suspension for that hit is borderline ridiculous. The NFL is glorified 2 hand touch now a days

Between the Dbs not being able to hit Wr's going after the ball because theyre "defenseless" to D linemen getting flagged for getting blocked and hitting the QB low or grazing their head with their arm while tackling them, its starting to go overboard with how much they protect players

The defenseless player fouls are so bad they are almost ruining the game.

WebFire;1013632 wrote:The defenseless player fouls are so bad they are almost ruining the game.

Case in point. This shit has no business being a rule in football.

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Can tell this one gamer is going to be a big deterrent to Harrison. It was passed on to me that Harrison's response on Twitter was "LOL" when the word came down.

Another one. This is disgusting. This is football you pussies!

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Gblock;1013573 wrote:or just call him a homer or Rockne

lol show one post where you're being logical and not blindly backing Harrison?