thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 11:17pm
Then provide some data. How can you win an argument by saying, "Those stats are dumb. I'm right. You're wrong".Skyhook79;1015421 wrote:The formula is crap. Sample sizes are so small. Not surprised your impressed by it though. smh
You have to make a valid point eventually, don't you?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 14, 2011 11:17pm
Soooooooo..........
The Clippers missed the playoffs by 14 games last season. Now in a shortened season and the addition of CP3, will they make it?
Also, they were 9-32 on the road. CP3 is great, but he ain't THAT great.
The Clippers missed the playoffs by 14 games last season. Now in a shortened season and the addition of CP3, will they make it?
Also, they were 9-32 on the road. CP3 is great, but he ain't THAT great.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 11:19pm
how is the sample size too small? It was done over the whole 2010-2011 season. Seems like accurate and relevant information to me. But, Kobe isn't on it, so it must be crap.Skyhook79;1015421 wrote:The formula is crap. Sample sizes are so small. Not surprised your impressed by it though. smh
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 14, 2011 11:20pm
I think you are overvaluing him, but I agree it was a bad trade. I think people are overvaluing DeAndre Jordan too. Dude is a ferocious dunker and a pretty solid weakside defender, but he's still really raw considering he's been in the league 3 years now, he doesn't really have an offensive game if he isn't dunking, and he's foul prone. Kaman > Jordan at this point, and EG could be a top 20 player in the league this year.Commander of Awesome;1015177 wrote:Am I missing something, am I over valuing Eric Bledsoe? I think the Clippers were better off not making this trade.
I would expect Chauncy to start at the 2 now.
Paul/Williams/Bledsoe
Billups/Foye
Butler/Gomes
Griffin
Jordan
They obviously need to make another move to get some post depth, unless Trey Thompkins is going to be playing 25 minutes a game as a rookie. Adding Butler and Chauncy, who are getting up there in years, it's almost like they've gone into win now mode.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 14, 2011 11:24pm
His top defenders. Mike Miller is the 12th best defender in the NBA and Gortat is the 2nd. Yeah great "stats" there.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 14, 2011 11:29pm
So then you agree that Jennings is the best pg defender in the NBA?Pick6;1015428 wrote:how is the sample size too small? It was done over the whole 2010-2011 season. Seems like accurate and relevant information to me. But, Kobe isn't on it, so it must be crap.
Mike Miller is the 2nd best Sg defender in the NBA?
Gortat is the best defensive center in the NBA?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 11:32pm
Skyhook79;1015433 wrote:
His top defenders. Mike Miller is the 12th best defender in the NBA and Gortat is the 2nd. Yeah great "stats" there.
Good argument. So which stats specifically that were used do you think skew the rankings? You have to be able to make a more valid argument, right?
Again, you can't say the stats are stupid when it's actual hard data, and fail to provide anything supporting your argument here.
It's like me saying Kevin Durant isn't a great scorer. I know he led the league in scoring but those stats are dumb.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 11:33pm
What do you have that says otherwise, other than just your opinion?Skyhook79;1015440 wrote:So then you agree that Jennings is the best pg defender in the NBA?
Mike Miller is the 2nd best Sg defender in the NBA?
Gortat is the best defensive center in the NBA?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 11:37pm
Nothing, it's just not at all what he expected so it must be wrong. Keep in mind this is the man that swore that Wilt had a 50 inch vertical.thedynasty1998;1015444 wrote:What do you have that says otherwise, other than just your opinion?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 15, 2011 12:57am
I think they may make it cause they are all a year better while a lot of the west is a year older. The shortened season will for sure help the younger teams like the Clippers.wildcats20;1015425 wrote:Soooooooo..........
The Clippers missed the playoffs by 14 games last season. Now in a shortened season and the addition of CP3, will they make it?
Also, they were 9-32 on the road. CP3 is great, but he ain't THAT great.
They were also right in it (like within 2 games I think) when EJ went down with his injury. It was in the middle of the Griffin run of double doubles when they beat some solid teams including the Lake Show. I forget how late into the season it was, but they could have made a run (I think they couldve been 9 games better) had Eric stayed healthy. They also were MUCH better once they got rid of Baron Davis, who completely stunted the growth of EJ, Bledsoe and Aminu while he was there.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 15, 2011 3:17am
This.Laley23;1015479 wrote:I think they may make it cause they are all a year better while a lot of the west is a year older. The shortened season will for sure help the younger teams like the Clippers.
They were also right in it (like within 2 games I think) when EJ went down with his injury. It was in the middle of the Griffin run of double doubles when they beat some solid teams including the Lake Show. I forget how late into the season it was, but they could have made a run (I think they couldve been 9 games better) had Eric stayed healthy. They also were MUCH better once they got rid of Baron Davis, who completely stunted the growth of EJ, Bledsoe and Aminu while he was there.
The only thing I didn't like about the trade regarding the LAC is giving up that 1st round pick.
Other than that, I thought it was a very good trade for both teams involved.
Eric Gordon is a beast and will be a nice building piece for the Hornets. The Clips just signed Caron Butler, which is another solid move.
CP3 is going to make that team better just because of his court vision and play making ability. Aside from that, as Laley mentioned, the Clips are young and athletic and are a year better as well.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Dec 15, 2011 8:25am
Clippers will make the WCF. Book it!!!
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 15, 2011 8:29am
So you believe that Mike Miller and Brandon Jennings are elite defenders?thedynasty1998;1015444 wrote:What do you have that says otherwise, other than just your opinion?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 15, 2011 8:38am
In my opinion there's a difference between elite defender and a defender with elite skills. Elite defenders give it their all every single play and make life miserable for the person they're guarding. When I think of someone like that I think Artest, Battier, going back a few years Bruce Bowen.
I don't think Lebron is an elite defender, I think he has elite defensive skills, and when he tries, he's elite for that stretch.
I don't think Lebron is an elite defender, I think he has elite defensive skills, and when he tries, he's elite for that stretch.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 15, 2011 8:42am
I've seen him play great defense for stretches, but while in cleveland I've also seen him ask to guard a weaker player on a team. Now when you see guys like Artest, or back in the day MJ, wanting to guard the teams best player it leaves you scratching your head.lhslep134;1015627 wrote:In my opinion there's a difference between elite defender and a defender with elite skills. Elite defenders give it their all every single play and make life miserable for the person they're guarding. When I think of someone like that I think Artest, Battier, going back a few years Bruce Bowen.
I don't think Lebron is an elite defender, I think he has elite defensive skills, and when he tries, he's elite for that stretch.
I can't wait for someone to mention saving his energy. In the regular season I guess that might hold some water, but I was witness (lol) to this same attitude by LBJ in the post season. He would only D up as they say in the 4th quarter.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 15, 2011 9:17am
Like when Kobe told Phil he wanted to guard Westbrook in Game 5 of the playoffs because Westbrook had been lighting the Lakers up. Kobe locked up Westbrook the ENTIRE game and changed the series.Commander of Awesome;1015632 wrote: Now when you see guys like Artest, or back in the day MJ, wanting to guard the teams best player it leaves you scratching your head.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 15, 2011 1:32pm
SportsAndLady;1014376 wrote:Is Nene that good? I always thought there just were no good centers anymore (outside of like 2) and since Nene was "pretty good" he was considered better than what he really is
I really didn't watch too many Nuggets games though, so probably wrong.
Is that proper grammar?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 15, 2011 1:47pm
Who cares? Most people are able to figure out the typos and move on.Skyhook79;1015938 wrote: Is that proper grammar?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 15, 2011 1:49pm
No.Skyhook79;1015938 wrote: Is that proper grammar?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 15, 2011 1:51pm
He is butt hurt, because s&l corrected his grammar in another thread. QQ.Commander of Awesome;1015973 wrote:Who cares? Most people are able to figure out the typos and move on.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 15, 2011 2:00pm
Not at all, just thought since S&L is concerned with proper grammar he would like to know his mistakes.like_that;1015983 wrote:He is butt hurt, because s&l corrected his grammar in another thread. QQ.
But I knew it would go right over and thru your head.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 15, 2011 2:03pm
lol I doubt it.Skyhook79;1016007 wrote: But I knew it would go right over and thru your head.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 15, 2011 2:05pm
through*Skyhook79;1016007 wrote:Not at all, just thought since S&L is concerned with proper grammar he would like to know his mistakes.
But I knew it would go right over and thru your head.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 15, 2011 2:05pm
Like I said....Skyhook79;1016007 wrote:Not at all, just thought since S&L is concerned with proper grammar he would like to know his mistakes.
But I knew it would go right over and thru your head.
like_that;1015983 wrote:He is butt hurt, because s&l corrected his grammar in another thread. QQ.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 15, 2011 2:07pm
A lot of it comes down to coaching and being rational. Why would you have your best player and by far your best offensive player run the risk of getting in foul trouble? I can see why elite players get put on weaker offensive players at times.Commander of Awesome;1015632 wrote:I've seen him play great defense for stretches, but while in cleveland I've also seen him ask to guard a weaker player on a team. Now when you see guys like Artest, or back in the day MJ, wanting to guard the teams best player it leaves you scratching your head.
I can't wait for someone to mention saving his energy. In the regular season I guess that might hold some water, but I was witness (lol) to this same attitude by LBJ in the post season. He would only D up as they say in the 4th quarter.