Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:14pm
Not a 2 guard with any height, like say Kobe.thedynasty1998;1015298 wrote:You realize I said Paul can guard the 2 guard?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 10:15pm
if Mo isnt good enough to guard the 2, Paul can. I hardly ever agree with dynasty but all he is saying is that he can play alongside Paul, which is true.Commander of Awesome;1015296 wrote:You realize there is more to basketball than offense right? Love how you add "basically" which means he wasn't but you're going to spin it to your idiotic argument. Cue you're failspn.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:16pm
lol its amazing how Crynasty's idiocy come out when he tries to discuss basketball. Pretty sad consider he played pick up league ball at his local community college.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 14, 2011 10:16pm
Yeah I had my splits wrong. So 4 did: Love, Howard, Randolph, and his teammate Griffin. Of those, only D12 and Love had more than 12.2.thedynasty1998;1015297 wrote:Actually 4 did.
To put DeAndre Jordan in that stratosphere doesn't make sense.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:17pm
Not on defense he can't. I've had the pleasure of watching Mo Williams up close as a Cavs fan, terrible defender and gives up a lot of size to any #2 in the NBA. Trust me, that's not a winning formula.Pick6;1015302 wrote:if Mo isnt good enough to guard the 2, Paul can. I hardly ever agree with dynasty but all he is saying is that he can play alongside Paul, which is true.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:18pm
Gotta love Crynasty, even when his own stats smack him in the face, he tries to get you on the technicality card. Might as well just say "I have nothing, I'm an idiot and can't discuss the issue at hand".lhslep134;1015305 wrote:Yeah I had my splits wrong. So 4 did: Love, Howard, Randolph, and his teammate Griffin. Of those, only D12 and Love had more than 12.2.
To put DeAndre Jordan in that stratosphere doesn't make sense.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:19pm
Maybe 13 is a stretch. Maybe not. He will get every opportunity this year, and all they will ask him to do is defend and rebound. Physically, he should be an elite rebounder. My original point was that LAC is set at center, and I believe they are. Playing alongside Paul will only inflate his production.lhslep134;1015305 wrote:Yeah I had my splits wrong. So 4 did: Love, Howard, Randolph, and his teammate Griffin. Of those, only D12 and Love had more than 12.2.
To put DeAndre Jordan in that stratosphere doesn't make sense.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:21pm
Comprehension fail. I will put it simple:Commander of Awesome;1015306 wrote:Not on defense he can't. I've had the pleasure of watching Mo Williams up close as a Cavs fan, terrible defender and gives up a lot of size to any #2 in the NBA. Trust me, that's not a winning formula.
On defense Mo guards the PG and Paul guards the SG
On offense Paul is the PG and Williams plays off the ball
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 14, 2011 10:22pm
DeAndre Jordan is too stupid and commits to many fouls to play enough minutes to get to 13 rebounds. He played what 25 minutes a game last year? I watched a lot of Clippers games (EJ is my favorite player) and DeAndre wasnt taken out cause of youth or anything. Its cause he is a retard.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 14, 2011 10:24pm
Not to mention, I personally find it tough to get that many rebounds when on missed FTs Griffin will take most (cheap boards usually go to the stars, for stats. Sad but true). Then Griffin is so active, he gets most of the offensive rebounds for the Clips. If not most, enough that it will be tough for Jordan to get to 13 a game. Its tough to have 2 guys over 12 a game, and Griffin is simply a better rebounder.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 14, 2011 10:24pm
Bulls sign Rip Hamilton. Really good move IMO.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:28pm
That's a good point. But Kaman averaged 7 last year, so from that position they got 14. I just think Jordan will continue to improve and will play 32+ minutes a game this year.Laley23;1015315 wrote:Not to mention, I personally find it tough to get that many rebounds when on missed FTs Griffin will take most (cheap boards usually go to the stars, for stats. Sad but true). Then Griffin is so active, he gets most of the offensive rebounds for the Clips. If not most, enough that it will be tough for Jordan to get to 13 a game. Its tough to have 2 guys over 12 a game, and Griffin is simply a better rebounder.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:28pm
Very good addition. He fits their style of play really well.wildcats20;1015316 wrote:Bulls sign Rip Hamilton. Really good move IMO.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:28pm
Def is, he is a number 2 and can guard the number 2. Unlike Chris Paul is an average defender and would love to see him try and guard Kobe while Mo Williams is guarding anybody.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:29pm
Twolves sign JJ Barea as wellwildcats20;1015316 wrote:Bulls sign Rip Hamilton. Really good move IMO.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:29pm
Kaman was injured and missed a lot of games last season.thedynasty1998;1015319 wrote:That's a good point. But Kaman averaged 7 last year, so from that position they got 14. I just think Jordan will continue to improve and will play 32+ minutes a game this year.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 14, 2011 10:31pm
Clippers got raped if CP3 doesn't sign a long term extension. If he doesn't, say goodbye to Blake Griffin too.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 14, 2011 10:34pm
Keep in mind Kaman missed a ton of time. What did each average when they played together? I dont even know if that stat exists. But Jordan had some monster games (like pushing 20 boards IIRC) when Kaman was out. But then he also provided us with some duds. I think he is pretty good and a very good rebounder. Id say just under 10 is a good estimate. Id say like 9.7.thedynasty1998;1015319 wrote:That's a good point. But Kaman averaged 7 last year, so from that position they got 14. I just think Jordan will continue to improve and will play 32+ minutes a game this year.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 10:35pm
did you just call chris paul an average defender?Commander of Awesome;1015321 wrote:Def is, he is a number 2 and can guard the number 2. Unlike Chris Paul is an average defender and would love to see him try and guard Kobe while Mo Williams is guarding anybody.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 14, 2011 10:35pm
Did you watch CP3 play last season? Reputation is one thing, but after watching him play last season I'd say an avg defender fits the bill. I would wager that to be part of his knee issue, first few yrs in the league he was def a solid defender. Perception was skewed a bit due to his steal numbers, much like Larry Hughes in Washington.Pick6;1015333 wrote:did you just call chris paul an average defender?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 10:37pm
On ball hes nothign special. Plays the passing lanes well though. Kinda like AIPick6;1015333 wrote:did you just call chris paul an average defender?
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:37pm
Like_that, can you translate this for us?Commander of Awesome;1015321 wrote:Def is, he is a number 2 and can guard the number 2. Unlike Chris Paul is an average defender and would love to see him try and guard Kobe while Mo Williams is guarding anybody.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 10:37pm
He has been first team NBA all-defensive, and 2nd team all defensive twice, including last season. Hardly "average"Commander of Awesome;1015334 wrote:Did you watch CP3 play last season?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 14, 2011 10:39pm
Ding, ding.Hb31187;1015335 wrote:On ball hes nothign special. Plays the passing lanes well though. Kinda like AI
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 14, 2011 10:39pm
What are your opinions of Kobe as a defender?Pick6;1015337 wrote:He has been first team NBA all-defensive, and 2nd team all defensive twice, including last season. Hardly "average"