Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 10:52pm
Paul could guard a few 2 guards, but if you put him on most 2 guards for an entire game theyd abuse him. Hes quick and has quick hands but he doesnt have the size to really match up with most NBA 2 guards. Hes good at getting steals but its not like hes Gary Paytonthedynasty1998;1015371 wrote:He will argue whatever I say. It's comical. Paul is the 2nd best defensive PG in the NBA and can easily slide over to guard a 2 guard. It's not even up for debate. He's proven it.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 10:53pm
Averaged around 20, some games a little mroe some games a little lessthedynasty1998;1015375 wrote:I don't know the answer, but how many shot attempts did he have?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 10:53pm
Sorry... "average" was the word used. Those two aren't average defenders.wildcats20;1015370 wrote:SMH
NO ONE SAID THEY AREN'T GOOD DEFENDERS.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:53pm
way too many, and the bulls aren't winning anything until he learns how to be an actual pgthedynasty1998;1015375 wrote:I don't know the answer, but how many shot attempts did he have?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 14, 2011 10:54pm
LeBron should be an elite defender. Top 2/3 defender in the NBA. No 2 or 3 should be able to score on him. But he is lazy most of the game, unlike say a Ron Artest, Gary Payton, Shane Battier etc, etc. Those guys D you up all game long.
BTW, I think Gordon is a better defender than Paul...if my opinion is worth anything lol.
BTW, I think Gordon is a better defender than Paul...if my opinion is worth anything lol.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:54pm
Lebron is the most versatile defender in the world, that alone makes him elite imo.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 10:54pm
If he was a pass 1st pg they woudlnt of made it past the first round though lolrobj55;1015382 wrote:way too many, and the bulls aren't winning anything until he learns how to be an actual pg
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:55pm
Not even close to lazy, you want to see lazy watch Amare or Blake Griffin play. I don't know how many games I watched Blake Griffin not running the floor or getting back on D, I know you watch the Clips so you saw the same thing.Laley23;1015384 wrote:LeBron should be an elite defender. Top 2/3 defender in the NBA. No 2 or 3 should be able to score on him. But he is lazy most of the game, unlike say a Ron Artest, Gary Payton, Shane Battier etc, etc. Those guys D you up all game long.
BTW, I think Gordon is a better defender than Paul...if my opinion is worth anything lol.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:56pm
Great players make others better though, he's gotta find that medium between scoring and passing, Deron Williams is the best at this and the best pg in the league imo.Hb31187;1015386 wrote:If he was a pass 1st pg they woudlnt of made it past the first round though lol
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 14, 2011 10:57pm
Bron does the same shit. EVERY star in the League does. Even Dwight Howard, who most consider to be the best defender since sliced bread.robj55;1015387 wrote:Not even close to lazy, you want to see lazy watch Amare or Blake Griffin play, I don't know how many games I watched Blake Griffin not running the floor or getting back on D, I know you watch the Clips so you saw the same thing.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 14, 2011 10:59pm
You're right, superstars get a pass.wildcats20;1015389 wrote:Bron does the same ****. EVERY star in the League does. Even Dwight Howard, who most consider to be the best defender since sliced bread.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 10:59pm
Here is a link to some data on the NBA's best defenders at each respective position:
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/04/11/the-nbas-top-defenders-in-2011/
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/04/11/the-nbas-top-defenders-in-2011/
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 10:59pm
Howard isn't a good defender because he fouls a lot. /COA'd /like_that'd /Hb'dwildcats20;1015389 wrote:Bron does the same shit. EVERY star in the League does. Even Dwight Howard, who most consider to be the best defender since sliced bread.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 11:01pm
FYI, Lebron's opponents shot 30% from the field last year.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 11:01pm
now now...lets not use actual stats in this discussion.thedynasty1998;1015393 wrote:Here is a link to some data on the NBA's best defenders at each respective position:
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/04/11/the-nbas-top-defenders-in-2011/
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 11:03pm
Where did i mention anything about fouls in any of my posts? lol fucking idiotPick6;1015394 wrote:Howard isn't a good defender because he fouls a lot. /COA'd /like_that'd /Hb'd
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 14, 2011 11:04pm
I stopped reading when I saw Mike Millers name and defense listed in the same sentence. Just another stupid formula. smhthedynasty1998;1015393 wrote:Here is a link to some data on the NBA's best defenders at each respective position:
http://www.backpicks.com/2011/04/11/the-nbas-top-defenders-in-2011/
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 11:05pm
you didnt.Hb31187;1015401 wrote:Where did i mention anything about fouls in any of my posts? lol fucking idiot
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 11:06pm
So why would you randomly bring it up?Pick6;1015407 wrote:you didnt.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 14, 2011 11:07pm
Skyhook79;1015405 wrote:I stopped reading when I saw Mike Millers name and defense listed in the same sentence. Just another stupid formula. smh
Lol +1 let's find some stupid article that supports my view. If lebron is so elite then how come you let Jason terry whose 7 in smaller than you light you up in the nba finals. Point proven
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 11:08pm
Because, judging by your evaluations of Paul and Lebron, if one part of your game isnt perfect you aren't a good defender.Hb31187;1015409 wrote:So why would you randomly bring it up?
Also, the fact that you think Lebron and CP3 are "average" makes you the "fucking idiot"
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 14, 2011 11:10pm
I laughed when I saw that too. But it's actual data. It's not like I created some formula myself to support my argument. It was the first link after a google search. I actually find it to be fairly well done.Skyhook79;1015405 wrote:I stopped reading when I saw Mike Millers name and defense listed in the same sentence. Just another stupid formula. smh
But sorry for bringing some statistics to the debate. I'll just stick to, "I'm right. You're wrong".
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 14, 2011 11:11pm
Lol and the fact that you think theyre great simply because they make the nba defensive team is pretty funny as well. The defensive team is a popularity contest, if it wasnt the 1st team would be full of people like Mbah amoute(sp), Battier, Gerald Wallace, Arron Afflalo ect. But its not because its full of stars who get put on the team because of their namePick6;1015413 wrote:Because, judging by your evaluations of Paul and Lebron, if one part of your game isnt perfect you aren't a good defender.
Also, the fact that you think Lebron and CP3 are "average" makes you the "****ing idiot"
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 14, 2011 11:12pm
Check the link dynasty posted. It has actual stats, no popularity involved.Hb31187;1015416 wrote:Lol and the fact that you think theyre great simply because they make the nba defensive team is pretty funny as well. The defensive team is a popularity contest, if it wasnt the 1st team would be full of people like Mbah amoute(sp), Battier, Gerald Wallace, Arron Afflalo ect. But its not because its full of stars who get put on the team because of their name
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 14, 2011 11:14pm
The formula is crap. Sample sizes are so small. Not surprised your impressed by it though. smhthedynasty1998;1015415 wrote:I laughed when I saw that too. But it's actual data. It's not like I created some formula myself to support my argument. It was the first link after a google search. I actually find it to be fairly well done.
But sorry for bringing some statistics to the debate. I'll just stick to, "I'm right. You're wrong".