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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Nov 8, 2011 11:13pm
The guy that committed the acts could have been stopped from committing dozens of those horrid acts if JOE PATERNO or SOMEONE at Penn State would have stepped up and called the police instead of conspiring and covering for Sandusky.Skyhook79;964227 wrote:JoePa is a Public official? Whats amazing to me is the absolute hatred for Joe Paterno and hardly any mention of the man who actually committed the acts.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Nov 8, 2011 11:18pm
He doesn't coach them now. He stands around and drools at practice and sits in the press box without a headset at games.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 8, 2011 11:20pm
Yeah I read it. Maybe I missed it but point out where Joe Pa tried to cover up anything and was the one who allowed Sandusky access to the facilities and gave him an office and run of the place after Sandusky retired?Manhattan Buckeye;964344 wrote:If one just reads the grand jury indictment on the BEST terms available to JoePa and Penn State, they still look awful. They've admitted to either a cover up or incompetence.
This is based on their testimony. A prosecutor can't position this so much.
Skyhook, have you and Arizona guy read the indictment?
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Nov 8, 2011 11:21pm
Have you ever seen his press conferences? He's very much with it.Big Gain;964367 wrote:He doesn't coach them now. He stands around and drools at practice and sits in the press box without a headset at games.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Nov 8, 2011 11:21pm
You don't know that that happened.Big Gain;964363 wrote:instead of conspiring and covering for Sandusky.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 8, 2011 11:28pm
And this is why he should resign.Manhattan Buckeye;964303 wrote:A graduate assistant comes to a "legend's" house on the weekend and reports an event - what type of "leader" doesn't ask exactly what happened? This is what leaders do. This is what adults do. This is what people that aren't guilty do.
But unless he is guilty of something more than "not doing enough", that is all that should happen. And until facts come out that he didn't report the incident or intentionally lessened the severity of charges when he reported to his boss, I'm not labeling him guilty of more.
I'm not saying to build another statue for the guy and give him a raise. I'm saying he isn't the devil and, while he doesn't deserve to retain his post, he isn't the evil one in all of this.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 8, 2011 11:36pm
Joe Parterno runs the football program. Do you really believe Sandusky could have all these things given to him -- despite being forced to retire -- WITHOUT Paterno's approval?Skyhook79;964369 wrote:Yeah I read it. Maybe I missed it but point out where Joe Pa tried to cover up anything and was the one who allowed Sandusky access to the facilities and gave him an office and run of the place after Sandusky retired?
What you and lep keep ignoring in all this: there were two incidents that happened and were reported by different witnesses (1998 and 2002). In both cases, the reports went to campus police, Paterno, the AD and the president, and then nothing happened.
Do you really believe Paterno is so stupid or incompetent that he wouldn't realize Sandusky is doing something wrong with children when he's had two separate reports of this in four years?
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Nov 8, 2011 11:45pm
Just read victim list now up to 20
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/08/number-victims-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case-doubles/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/08/number-victims-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case-doubles/
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 8, 2011 11:48pm
Based on how many times you've brought things up that I already commented or explained my position on, it doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to anything I've said. Check out post #14 of the entire thread.2kool4skool;964318 wrote:McQueary stated he told Paterno it was of a sexual nature. If we take your theory that it was a "watered down version" that would mean he lied during his testimony. Have you read the Grand Jury report? Based on this thread, it doesn't seem like it.
If you're going to continue arguing with me you could at least actually read what I'm saying.
It's weird how not jumping to conclusions or calling for a guy who the police and attorney general both admitted met his legal duties to be burned at the stake = apologist.
Clearly not a fan of the fifth amendment.thedynasty1998;964314 wrote:Paterno should be allowed to defend himself? That's complete BS.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 8, 2011 11:52pm
It won't happen and there's no way we'll ever know, but it would be nice if every victim came forward. One would think there's already plenty to convict, but when all you have are witness/victim statements the more you have the better. Also, unless SVU has been bullshitting me all these years testifying against one's abuser can bring a feeling of control back to a victim's life.Fab1b;964387 wrote:Just read victim list now up to 20
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/08/number-victims-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case-doubles/
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Nov 8, 2011 11:54pm
I see that you claim to have read it, but you don't seem to understand the contents of it. Whether this is because you didn't read it at all, didn't read it carefully, or are being willfully ignorant, I can't speculate.Mulva;964390 wrote:Based on how many times you've brought things up that I already commented or explained my position on, it doesn't seem like you've been paying attention to anything I've said. Check out post #14 of the entire thread.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Nov 8, 2011 11:58pm
IF and when Paterno eventually has a press conference will he answer every question from all reporters?
Will Paterno put his hand on a bible when he answers the questions?
Would Paterno take a lie detector test?
He doesn't have to do any of the above since he did not commit a crime. Shouldn't he feel a need to do all three since he considers himself to be morally innocent?
Will Paterno put his hand on a bible when he answers the questions?
Would Paterno take a lie detector test?
He doesn't have to do any of the above since he did not commit a crime. Shouldn't he feel a need to do all three since he considers himself to be morally innocent?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 9, 2011 12:04am
Writerbuckeye;964382 wrote:Joe Parterno runs the football program. Do you really believe Sandusky could have all these things given to him -- despite being forced to retire -- WITHOUT Paterno's approval?
What you and lep keep ignoring in all this: there were two incidents that happened and were reported by different witnesses (1998 and 2002). In both cases, the reports went to campus police, Paterno, the AD and the president, and then nothing happened.
Do you really believe Paterno is so stupid or incompetent that he wouldn't realize Sandusky is doing something wrong with children when he's had two separate reports of this in four years?
Again maybe I missed it please point out in the GJ testimony where Paterno was consulted or had to approve Sandusky being given run of the place and where it says Paterno forced him to retire.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Nov 9, 2011 12:13am
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Nov 9, 2011 12:24am
reps2kool4skool;964006 wrote: Allowing more kids to be raped because you just didn't care, loses all sympathy I have for you as a human being, because you didn't seem to have the slightest real concern for the most innocent of your fellow human beings. Hence why I couldn't care less what happens to Paterno. If you told me one of the now grown up kids shot and killed him, I can't say I wouldn't' feel it was justified. It's puzzling to me how people think the complete lack of real punishment for this guy is in any way just.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 9, 2011 12:54am
SVU has been BS'ing you. Many boy victims will never come forward due to the stigma of being abused. How would you feel if you had to tell your wife, your in-laws, your friends that a man took it up your rear? You don't get over that.Mulva;964395 wrote:It won't happen and there's no way we'll ever know, but it would be nice if every victim came forward. One would think there's already plenty to convict, but when all you have are witness/victim statements the more you have the better. Also, unless SVU has been bullshitting me all these years testifying against one's abuser can bring a feeling of control back to a victim's life.
At least with female rape victims, there is a support system for it, for males it is "why didn't you fight back" and "damaged goods", they lose their masculinity which is why the crime is so heinous.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Nov 9, 2011 1:03am
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 9, 2011 1:07am
I'm glad you find this sordid situation funny.Tobias Fünke;964430 wrote:
Paterno will resign before the Nebraska game, if he doesn't I'll send everyone an Ipad.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Nov 9, 2011 1:16am
Funny? How about interesting and it will be spmething to see how it all unfolds.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 9, 2011 1:27am
I'm aware of the stigma and know that most male victims never come forward. My SVU comment was referring to the emotional release provided to those that do come forward, and whether or not that's actually a feeling many victims that face their abuser experience.Manhattan Buckeye;964425 wrote:Many boy victims will never come forward due to the stigma of being abused.
Maybe that is what you were addressing and I just misread it.
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0311sdp
Posts: 580
Nov 9, 2011 2:30am
The majority feeling is that Paterno will be gone before Saturday, that doesn't seem like enough. Turns out Joe isn't the man most thought he was. Sad that something like that could go on so long right under PSU's nose and they didn't know. (I doubt it) Heard on ESPN that some of their recruits are wavering now and that Sandusky had a young boy just recently with him on campus. (Mike & MIke)
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Nov 9, 2011 6:57am
Only an Ipad? I want an Ipad2!!Manhattan Buckeye;964436 wrote:I'm glad you find this sordid situation funny.
Paterno will resign before the Nebraska game, if he doesn't I'll send everyone an Ipad.
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rightfield
Posts: 164
Nov 9, 2011 7:24am
There are sins of commission ( something you do wrong yourself- rapping someone) and there are sins of omission ( not doing the right thing when it is in your power to do it- stopping a rapist friend from his heinous acts against little boys). JoPa did the second mentioned sin to save his own reputation and it will cost him 50 years of otherwise good acts.
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alwaysawarrior
Posts: 53
Nov 9, 2011 8:20am
For those of you saying wait to hear what Joe says? Do you realize he admitted that "something of a sexual nature" was going on with a minor in his locker room? He admits he was told that! That is all the statement I need to hear from him, why would I need to hear him rationalize why he did nothing about it to know he's a scumbag? I am also smart enough to realize he knew much more than even what he admits to, but even if he doesn't I don't need to hear another word. I am a manager at the place I work, but there is people above me, if someone comes to me and says there was a grown man doing something sexual with a minor in a shower, do you think my only call is to my supervisor? Hell no.
I'm also not stupid enough to believe that Joe didn't know everything that was going on in 1998.
I'm also not stupid enough to believe that Joe didn't know everything that was going on in 1998.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Nov 9, 2011 8:45am
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As many others have already said...of course he knew everything in 1998...we now know that is clearly why Sandusky "retired". And we also now know another incident in 2002 was again swept under the rug without any law enforcement or child services contact made. JoePa is clearly culpable of allowing child molestation to continually occur in his community. He must go immediately and unfortunately his complete body of work is now forever stained by heinous incidents that he didn't personally commit, but could heve personally prevented and chose not to do so.
As many others have already said...of course he knew everything in 1998...we now know that is clearly why Sandusky "retired". And we also now know another incident in 2002 was again swept under the rug without any law enforcement or child services contact made. JoePa is clearly culpable of allowing child molestation to continually occur in his community. He must go immediately and unfortunately his complete body of work is now forever stained by heinous incidents that he didn't personally commit, but could heve personally prevented and chose not to do so.