krambman
Posts: 3,606
Nov 5, 2011 4:04pm
So much for Penn State being one of only two schools to have never been hit with major violations.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 5, 2011 4:06pm
How do you know any of this is an NCAA violation? Criminal acts...yes.krambman;959306 wrote:So much for Penn State being one of only two schools to have never been hit with major violations.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 5, 2011 4:12pm
I didn't read that PDF word for word, but I'm pretty sure Joe Pa testified to the grand jury. I don't think there's any more to it. He did report it. He just reported it to the wrong person (the AD instead of the police). Looks like it just kept going up the line and then got squashed at the top.thedynasty1998;959305 wrote:I saw that, and have to believe there is more to it.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 5, 2011 4:17pm
Please. Like Joe Pa doesn't know who to report a crime to. He's as guilty as anyone else who knew about this and didn't report it to authorities. They might not be able to prove it enough for charges, but he's guilty.Mulva;959312 wrote:I didn't read that PDF word for word, but I'm pretty sure Joe Pa testified to the grand jury. I don't think there's any more to it. He did report it. He just reported it to the wrong person (the AD instead of the police). Looks like it just kept going up the line and then got squashed at the top.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 5, 2011 4:19pm
Hard to believe someone witnesses an old man raping a 10 year old and it just dies. I don't know how that's possible.
As for NCAA violations, I don't know if this qualifies. I know there has to be some bylaws on fiduciary duties, but this is a crime. I cannot believe Penn State has not had a presser or statement yet.
As for NCAA violations, I don't know if this qualifies. I know there has to be some bylaws on fiduciary duties, but this is a crime. I cannot believe Penn State has not had a presser or statement yet.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 5, 2011 4:27pm
How does that oppose anything I said? I said he knew about it and reported what he knew to the wrong entity. I wasn't defending his lack of action, I pointed out that he clearly did know what was going on and that there doesn't appear to be "more" to the story.Writerbuckeye;959317 wrote:Please. Like Joe Pa doesn't know who to report a crime to. He's as guilty as anyone else who knew about this and didn't report it to authorities. They might not be able to prove it enough for charges, but he's guilty.
It's nice to have friends in high places, I guess.thedynasty1998;959318 wrote:Hard to believe someone witnesses an old man raping a 10 year old and it just dies. I don't know how that's possible.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 5, 2011 4:37pm
After reading through the testimony and seeing there were 8 known victims, you have to believe that through the years, Sandusky probably molested hundreds of boys, given his access to facilities and children. This kind of behavior doesn't just start up late in someone's life.
It will be interesting to see if other victims come forward once this gets a lot of publicity.
It will be interesting to see if other victims come forward once this gets a lot of publicity.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Nov 5, 2011 4:41pm
I don't know if it is or not, but I have a hard time believing that an assistant coach committing a criminal act and then the AD lying about it would have to be a violation.Writerbuckeye;959309 wrote:How do you know any of this is an NCAA violation? Criminal acts...yes.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 5, 2011 4:50pm
That makes it even scarier. I believe there is another victim in the military who is serving overseas so couldn't be subpoenaed.Writerbuckeye;959335 wrote:After reading through the testimony and seeing there were 8 known victims, you have to believe that through the years, Sandusky probably molested hundreds of boys, given his access to facilities and children. This kind of behavior doesn't just start up late in someone's life.
It will be interesting to see if other victims come forward once this gets a lot of publicity.
JerseyBuck
Posts: 429
Nov 5, 2011 5:05pm
If they can cover up stuff like this, makes you wonder what else has went on over there.
Joe Pa is every bit complicit in this, he could and should have went straight to the police. Why was Sandusky even allowed to stay on until after the Alamo Bowl? He should have been fired right there in then. Not to mention, there have been recent Penn State players who have went to Sandusky's events. This entire story is disgusting and everyone involved should be fired.
Edit: Found this on a Penn State blog, supposedly one of the boys in the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW0WCUEOqc&feature=youtu.be
Joe Pa is every bit complicit in this, he could and should have went straight to the police. Why was Sandusky even allowed to stay on until after the Alamo Bowl? He should have been fired right there in then. Not to mention, there have been recent Penn State players who have went to Sandusky's events. This entire story is disgusting and everyone involved should be fired.
Edit: Found this on a Penn State blog, supposedly one of the boys in the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW0WCUEOqc&feature=youtu.be
Red Right 21
Posts: 88
Nov 5, 2011 5:07pm
Nasty stuff! Can you say "lack of institutional control"! a lot of people knew what was going on with this sicko and did little to nothing about it! BAD,BAD,BAD!
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Nov 5, 2011 5:28pm
I stopped reading after the shower stuff, what a sick motherfucker.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Nov 5, 2011 5:38pm
Agreed. Disgusting for everyone involved, including Joe Pa. If this were any other coach, they'd be fired. No question that his legacy will be tarnished.KR1245;959379 wrote:I stopped reading after the shower stuff, what a sick motherfucker.
Red Right 21
Posts: 88
Nov 5, 2011 5:42pm
This is just getting started! I would bet there are more victims and heads will roll at PSU!dat dude;959386 wrote:Agreed. Disgusting for everyone involved, including Joe Pa. If this were any other coach, they'd be fired. No question that his legacy will be tarnished.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 5, 2011 5:43pm
Honestly, I don't see how it CAN be a violation. It breaks the law, but the rulebook doesn't govern civil stuff. No different than a coach or player getting a DUI.krambman;959341 wrote:I don't know if it is or not, but I have a hard time believing that an assistant coach committing a criminal act and then the AD lying about it would have to be a violation.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Nov 5, 2011 6:00pm
I agree. And honestly, who cares about NCAA implications. This is far more serious than a loss of a couple scholarships. These people implicated are facing jail time.WebFire;959395 wrote:Honestly, I don't see how it CAN be a violation. It breaks the law, but the rulebook doesn't govern civil stuff. No different than a coach or player getting a DUI.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 5, 2011 6:05pm
jesus this is fucking sick and weird... I thought it would take death to get rid of Paterno, not a kiddy diddlerkaren lotz;959300 wrote:Joe Pa was told directly by a grad assistant who saw Sandusky fucking the kid in the ass IN PENN STATE'S LOCKERROOM SHOWERS.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Nov 5, 2011 6:12pm
As I'm sure you're likely aware, Sandusky's son is the Director of Player Personnel in the Browns front office. Begs the question as to whether he messed with his own kid.Writerbuckeye;959335 wrote:After reading through the testimony and seeing there were 8 known victims, you have to believe that through the years, Sandusky probably molested hundreds of boys, given his access to facilities and children. This kind of behavior doesn't just start up late in someone's life.
It will be interesting to see if other victims come forward once this gets a lot of publicity.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 5, 2011 6:28pm
I'm no expert, but I would think if my dad boned me, I wouldn't want to go into any profession later in life that he was involved in. That's just me though.BR1986FB;959407 wrote:As I'm sure you're likely aware, Sandusky's son is the Director of Player Personnel in the Browns front office. Begs the question as to whether he messed with his own kid.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Nov 5, 2011 6:33pm
karen lotz;959034 wrote:pdf of the testimony. Disgusting.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
Just finished reading this very disturbing!
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 5, 2011 6:35pm
He retired in 1999, and the cover-up allegedly occurred after a crime in 2002. Which would mean he wasn't an assistant at that time, he just retained access to Penn State's facilities.krambman;959341 wrote:I don't know if it is or not, but I have a hard time believing that an assistant coach committing a criminal act and then the AD lying about it would have to be a violation.
I agree with the opinion that NCAA violations are pretty insignificant in the whole scheme of this anyway.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Nov 5, 2011 6:49pm
This is sounding more and more like A Serbian Film. #puke
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Nov 5, 2011 8:12pm
The folks on the PSU board are convinced the assistant who witnessed the rape is Mike McQueary (now on staff and running the show by all reports). His dad was associated with PSU, also, and the age matches the time when he was a graduate assistant.
If that's true, they basically sold out this rape victim, probably to protect the university, Joe Pa and their own jobs. Think about it: why else would you not go immediately to the police when you saw something like that happening?
Before this is over, I think PSU has a house cleaning and Joe Pa is forced to retire by the university. They won't be able to take the heat that's coming from this and maintain people on staff at the time it was basically covered up.
Factor in the lawsuits from victims, and getting rid of anyone who participated in this coverup may be part of litigation at some point.
Joe Pa is gone. Mark it down.
If that's true, they basically sold out this rape victim, probably to protect the university, Joe Pa and their own jobs. Think about it: why else would you not go immediately to the police when you saw something like that happening?
Before this is over, I think PSU has a house cleaning and Joe Pa is forced to retire by the university. They won't be able to take the heat that's coming from this and maintain people on staff at the time it was basically covered up.
Factor in the lawsuits from victims, and getting rid of anyone who participated in this coverup may be part of litigation at some point.
Joe Pa is gone. Mark it down.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Nov 5, 2011 8:22pm
wowWriterbuckeye;959504 wrote:The folks on the PSU board are convinced the assistant who witnessed the rape is Mike McQueary (now on staff and running the show by all reports). His dad was associated with PSU, also, and the age matches the time when he was a graduate assistant.
If that's true, they basically sold out this rape victim, probably to protect the university, Joe Pa and their own jobs. Think about it: why else would you not go immediately to the police when you saw something like that happening?
Before this is over, I think PSU has a house cleaning and Joe Pa is forced to retire by the university. They won't be able to take the heat that's coming from this and maintain people on staff at the time it was basically covered up.
Factor in the lawsuits from victims, and getting rid of anyone who participated in this coverup may be part of litigation at some point.
Joe Pa is gone. Mark it down.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Nov 5, 2011 8:47pm
If I am a member of that team, I don't know how I could look my coaching staff in the eye any further. After reading the pdf, I certainly would not want to go back to that shower in the locker room.
Sandusky is an awful human being. He deserves to rot in hell for what he did to those boys. Those who sat by and let it happen deserves whatever punishment they get too.
Sandusky is an awful human being. He deserves to rot in hell for what he did to those boys. Those who sat by and let it happen deserves whatever punishment they get too.