Apparently Penn State sent out a release saying Paterno won't answer questions non game related at his presser tomorrow at noon. Hopefully the assembled media asks nothing but questions about the scandal.

Cat Food Flambe';962604 wrote:So if Lane Kiffen had done this, it's OK to to throw him in the cage with Bubba and a guy nicknamed "Ass Monger"?

Age, for a mentally sound man, does not affect right or wrong. If anything, it should crystallize it.

No. I think it's ridiculous to root for prison rape under any circumstance. I've never understood the "throw him in with Bubba" crowd. Sort of a two wrongs don't make a right mentality. If it was wrong for the criminal to do it initially, why is it OK for you to be cheering it on now? Because the criminal "deserves it"? I would hope people would hold themselves to a higher standard than that.

I included the "old man" part because so much of the outrage in the post I responded to (and the whole case) is based on the age of the victims. It was just another part of the contradiction of his viewpoint for me because, while assaulting children is obviously considered the most severe offense, senior citizens (and at almost 85 Joe is old even by senior citizen standards) aren't that far behind. Children and the elderly both lack the ability to defend themselves that young to middle-aged adults would, in most instances.

But yeah, sexual assault is not something I would be OK with regardless of how old the victim was.

Jeremy Schapp said on ESPN this morning he'd be at Tues. presser with questions.

You know, if this had been handled properly, Jerry Sandusky would have been in prison long ago and many children could have been protected from him.

As it is, this was all brushed under the rug to protect the Penn State and Paterno brands and that is just shitty.

As writer said, you have two decisions when you hear slapping then see what McQueary saw: You get the kid away from Sandusky, then report Sandusky to the police. Nothing else is acceptable. What Penn State did was reprehensible.

This gets worse the more i read. I don't think they will clean house now because they wouldn't have a staff for the remaining games. Shitty all the way around.

I hope I'm wrong but I see Paterno surviving this till the end of the season, then PSU allows him to retire.

After reading this I find it difficult to understand how none of the coaches or players found it weird that Sandusky would basically go through a rotation of young boys that he would bring to the facilities/games/tailgates on a regular basis. I guess that is normal practice?

GoPens;962687 wrote:I hope I'm wrong but I see Paterno surviving this till the end of the season, then PSU allows him to retire.

Would not surprise me in the least I just can't see how they manage to do it without basically just giving a big F U to the media, fans, and mostly the victims involved!

Sykotyk;962628 wrote:I may have scarlet-colored glasses on.... but if Tressel is forced out for covering up memorabilia selling, then JoePa gets ****-canned for covering up CHILD MOLESTATION THAT HAPPENED IN PSU FACILITIES. Not tomorrow. Not a week from now. Not even an hour from now. Right now. And every minute he's still their coach is a disgrace.

A few things PSU needs to do: clean house. Everyone on athletic staff that has control is replaced. Every coach, assistant, etc is gone. There's no way of knowing who knew what, etc. They're just all gone. You grovel to the public for forgiveness and say 'we've turned a new page starting henceforth.' And then, only then, can I consider this whole debacle right in the eyes of the university.

Maybe I'm being harsh being a fan of OSU. But, this isn't NCAA rule breaking. This isn't even the fact these are criminal charges. It's young kids being taken advantage of and these sick ****s letting it happen. They're culpable.

If I am a parent of a Penn State football player, I would seriously consider not letting my son play the rest of the season until action is taken. I would have to think there are other parents who feel the same way and if a big enough statement is made, the university would no choice but to do something.

Its not as if Sandusky was drinking a beer in the locker rooms or smoking pot with the players. Is there anything on this planet more reprehensible than his acts?

Little Danny;962708 wrote:If I am a parent of a Penn State football player, I would seriously consider not letting my son play the rest of the season until action is taken. I would have to think there are other parents who feel the same way and if a big enough statement is made, the university would no choice but to do something.

Its not as if Sandusky was drinking a beer in the locker rooms or smoking pot with the players. Is there anything on this planet more reprehensible than his acts?

Great post, and something I didn't think of. It would be commendable if some players took a stand against Paterno.

^no way do I see that happening! The current players will do nothing of the sort and either will their parents and they shouldn't have too. Just like the NCAA punishing future classes for coach and player wrong doings in the past, this would be the same, punishing themselves! The Alumni and boosters are the ones that could get this resolved and quickly! Stop the cash flow and it will change!

Mulva;962639 wrote:No. I think it's ridiculous to root for prison rape under any circumstance. I've never understood the "throw him in with Bubba" crowd. Sort of a two wrongs don't make a right mentality. If it was wrong for the criminal to do it initially, why is it OK for you to be cheering it on now? Because the criminal "deserves it"? I would hope people would hold themselves to a higher standard than that.

I included the "old man" part because so much of the outrage in the post I responded to (and the whole case) is based on the age of the victims. It was just another part of the contradiction of his viewpoint for me because, while assaulting children is obviously considered the most severe offense, senior citizens (and at almost 85 Joe is old even by senior citizen standards) aren't that far behind. Children and the elderly both lack the ability to defend themselves that young to middle-aged adults would, in most instances.

But yeah, sexual assault is not something I would be OK with regardless of how old the victim was.

Agreed - I know that's what you really meant (unless you're from Knoxville!).

Still, while age is to be respected and protected, there comes with it higher standard of conduct. At age fifty, we can't excuse making the same poor decisions that we might have at age twenty five. I could see a GA being cowed into hiding the facts of what happened - but not JoePa or the others.

Fab1b;962740 wrote:^no way do I see that happening! The current players will do nothing of the sort and either will their parents and they shouldn't have too. Just like the NCAA punishing future classes for coach and player wrond doings in the past, this would be the same, punishing themselves! The Alumni and boosters are the ones that could get this resolved and quickly! Stop the cash flow and it will change!

I agree. The players shouldn't be punished, which is what they would be doing to themselves.

WebFire;962745 wrote:I agree. The players shouldn't be punished, which is what they would be doing to themselves.

They would be doing it out of their own free will. If they chose to do something like that, it wouldn't be a punishment.

I don't expect them to, and they certainly do to have an obligation, but I would admire anyone that decided to sit a game.

thedynasty1998;962755 wrote:They would be doing it out of their own free will. If they chose to do something like that, it wouldn't be a punishment.

I don't expect them to, and they certainly do to have an obligation, but I would admire anyone that decided to sit a game.

If the players did it themselves, fine. But that is not what dynasty said. He said the parents shouldn't let their sons play.

WebFire;962767 wrote:If the players did it themselves, fine. But that is not what dynasty said. He said the parents shouldn't let their sons play.

In fairness to dynasty, I was the one who brought it up. I did not say parents should not let their sons play. What I said was if I were a parent on the team, I would personally consider it. I also said there were probably others who felt the same way.

Little Danny;962770 wrote:In fairness to dynasty, I was the one who brought it up. I did not say parents should not let their sons play. What I said was if I were a parent on the team, I would personally consider it. I also said there were probably others who felt the same way.

Ah yes. Sorry dynasty.

To your suggestion Danny, I disagree. I would support my son if him and his teammates decided to do so, but I wouldn't even consider not "letting" him play.

ccrunner609;962439 wrote:I am going to bet that PSU doesnt win another game.

89% chance that was going to happen anyway.

As for what would happen to their coaching staff if they were all let go. Who cares. Let the players coach themselves. Go hire some defensive coordinator at some D2 school. Trust me, there's enough coaches out there that would jump at the chance even midseason into the shitstorm that is now PSU.

I know it sounds cliche, but really,... think of the children. How many were abused that could have been prevented had they done something. It's disgusting to think about. Scared young men cornered by an authority figure they trusted. And even when somebody WALKS IN on it happening, nobody went to rescue that boy. Nobody cared. They cared more about their football team than they did that poor kid.

It's reprehensible. It's disgusting. I may not like what Tressel did. And I think forcing him out was too much. But, I would be LIVID. Absolutely pitch-fork wielding, torch-waving, burn-the-university-down angry if this happened at OSU. Nothing but their heads on spikes would suffice my anger at the school that represents me, my state, my convictions doing such heinous activities all in the name of football games.

karen lotz;962638 wrote:Apparently Penn State sent out a release saying Paterno won't answer questions non game related at his presser tomorrow at noon. Hopefully the assembled media asks nothing but questions about the scandal.

LOL. Good luck with that. Joe Pa will end up leaving the room in a huff. The media will not be cowed like this, and they won't obey some directive from the athletic department or whoever.

Jerry Sandusky > Tim Tebow


..too soon?

Tobias Fünke;962820 wrote:Jerry Sandusky > Tim Tebow


..too soon?

LOL never!!

Little Danny;962708 wrote:If I am a parent of a Penn State football player, I would seriously consider not letting my son play the rest of the season until action is taken. I would have to think there are other parents who feel the same way and if a big enough statement is made, the university would no choice but to do something.

The parents don't really have any authority to do that, considering the children are all adults. This isn't a youth football team. The players would have to make that decision. I personally think it would be dumb, because it hurts the players who haven't done anything wrong more than anyone else.

Cat Food Flambe';962741 wrote:Agreed - I know that's what you really meant (unless you're from Knoxville!).

Still, while age is to be respected and protected, there comes with it higher standard of conduct. At age fifty, we can't excuse making the same poor decisions that we might have at age twenty five. I could see a GA being cowed into hiding the facts of what happened - but not JoePa or the others.

I agree with that, which is why everyone should be forced out. In my opinion even at age 25 there's no excuse to be made in this situation from a perspective of what should have been done, especially because the GA saw it in person. Witnessing something firsthand makes something a lot more "real" and more difficult to ignore than hearing about it from someone else.

But, not meeting the standard of conduct required for a position only justifies removing a person from that position. Unless information comes out that some of these guys (who weren't already charged) were actively hiding what happened then there isn't anything more to be done. And some of them may have been, but this was a very long and clearly pretty thorough investigation, so I'm not going to make any assumptions about how much everyone knew and what they chose to report up the line.

Skyhook79;962395 wrote:Not buying it, Grad assistant don't make much money and reports like this are kept confidential and how would they know he was the one who contacted police if Paterno and a couple other higher ups knew about it also?

He was rewarded for his silence. He is now Penn State's recruiting coordinator.

Manhattan Buckeye;962619 wrote:I would guess by the end of the week before the Nebraska game. I think the PSU muckety-mucks underestimated the public outrage resulting from this. If I'm a PSU alum I don't know how I could support the program or the university until the house is cleaned. So many bad decisions made by so many people in high power that had outrageous results.

If they get rid of all the coaches currently on staff that were around in 2002 there won't be many left.

I can't see them cleaning house as long as they have a chance of making it to the B1G Title game. UNLESS the University President is fired now and the trustees take over.