Mulva

Agree or disagree, your argument is well stated. I happen to agree that Paterno is not legally responsible, but if he knew more and did nothing, he will answer for it in time.

Oops...

http://m.deadspin.com/5857172/

I just think the timing of this is bad. He gets his 409th victory giving him the all-time mark. We hear they have contacted urban Meyer earlier thus year then the story breaks.

karen lotz;962343 wrote:Oops...

http://m.deadspin.com/5857172/

Yikes.

sportchampps;962349 wrote:I just think the timing of this is bad. He gets his 409th victory giving him the all-time mark. We hear they have contacted urban Meyer earlier thus year then the story breaks.

Jason Whitlock had a article that surmised this as well today.

Paterno may lead the NCAA in wins, but he has a long way to go to catch Notre Dame in child rape cover-ups.

Pick6;962379 wrote:Paterno may lead the NCAA in wins, but he has a long way to go to catch Notre Dame in child rape cover-ups.

Are you one of Jerry's kids?

Why didn't the Grad Assistant go to the police after all he was the one that witnessed what exactly happened?

Skyhook79;962391 wrote:Why didn't the Grad Assistant go to the police after all he was the one that witnessed what exactly happened?

Job security.

Fab1b;961862 wrote:Sandusky refused to state that the charges are false to a reporter outside his home. Would only state his attorney advised him to answer nothing.

PSU is in a mountain of trouble I feel here. Huge cover up that I hope is fully exposed due to the nature of the alleged crimes!!

Which is exactly what he should have done. He would be stupid to answer any questions a reporter asks him.

karen lotz;962392 wrote:Job security.

Not buying it, Grad assistant don't make much money and reports like this are kept confidential and how would they know he was the one who contacted police if Paterno and a couple other higher ups knew about it also?

PA state Police Commissioner

Football coach Joe Paterno and other Penn State officials didn’t do enough to try to stop suspected sexual abuse of children at the hands of a former assistant football coach, the state police commissioner said Monday.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


That tells me all I need to know right there! They just can't get him on criminal charges but he knew and didn't stop it!

Skyhook79;962395 wrote:Not buying it, Grad assistant don't make much money and reports like this are kept confidential and how would they know he was the one who contacted police if Paterno and a couple other higher ups knew about it also?

My guess is that with the way the coaching ranks have so much of a "good ol' boy/who you know" vibe to them, there was a lot of "keep it internal/be a team player" sort of talk that turned things into at least a perceived job security issue. Where once he told Paterno, if he went to the cops, there'd be the fear of being blackballed as a coach. That is, if the cover-up for this is remotely as bad as the impression I get from some of the stuff I've read.

Skyhook79;962395 wrote:Not buying it, Grad assistant don't make much money and reports like this are kept confidential and how would they know he was the one who contacted police if Paterno and a couple other higher ups knew about it also?

You're kidding, right? He absolutely would have been named as a witness in the police report, and would have been called to testify against Sandusky at some point. There is no guarantee of confidentiality whatsoever. It would have been very clear who reported this because Sandusky's defense attorney would have total access to all police information on the case.

Look at what he did, instead of calling police: he phoned his dad, also associated with PSU. His dad had him wait until the next day to talk to Paterno, instead of calling police. That was the beginning of the coverup, and he was rewarded (overtly or not) with a full-time coaching job. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened if he'd have made the report to police. And I'm also sure his father and he talked about the consequences this would have for the university and the rest of the staff, and made their decision accordingly.

How can you possibly reach any other conclusion given the information we have? Everything done whenever there were allegations against Sandusky ended with the university and going no further.

This was a classic coverup.

More from the police

Pennsylvania's top police officer's voice quivered when he said that in 40 years on the job he had never seen a case where someone was so clearly caught and yet not turned in to police.

http://news.yahoo.com/paterno-shocked-case-against-former-assistant-005451940.html

If I'm the grad assistant who witnessed this, job security or not, if it was...

A) Sandusky and a 10 year old--I'm calling the police immediately.
B) Sandusky and an adult messing around in the showers--THEN I tell Paterno first. No crime committed.

He's (the GA) just as culpable and disgusting in this as anyone.

Fab1b;962399 wrote:PA state Police Commissioner

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-abuse


That tells me all I need to know right there! They just can't get him on criminal charges but he knew and didn't stop it!

Lol so much for the "officials are commending Paterno for his help" garbage people were spewing earlier.

I agree gopens I know the ga went to joepa and joepa went to the ad. Those were the right things to do but when the ad doesn't do anything how do you not go to the police then.

sportchampps;962528 wrote:I agree gopens I know the ga went to joepa and joepa went to the ad. Those were the right things to do but when the ad doesn't do anything how do you not go to the police then.

The right thing to have done was (1) get the boy safely away from Sandusky and (2) call the police. No other choices are correct.

Not doing anything to protect the boy and then calling your father for advice was wrong. Waiting until the next day to say anything was wrong. Never calling police was wrong.

It will be a pleasure to see McQueary get fired and probably never work in football again.

Mulva;961666 wrote:1. Prosecutors have stated he isn't suspected of anything, and have actually lauded his assistance/cooperation
2. Criminally, according to a yahoo article, failure to report has a maximum sentence of 3 months, but that's irrelevant anyway because he immediately reported what he was told to his superior. So now you're saying a senior citizen who committed no crime should be locked up and sodomized.
3. Paterno stated that what he was told by the grad assistant was nowhere near the level or specifics of what was reported in the grand jury report, and none of us know what he did or didn't actually know.

You basically advocated locking up an old man who didn't break any law and having him raped by inmates for failing to meet a "moral obligation". Should he have done more? If the testimony presented to the grand jury is accurate, definitely. Should he be forced to step down? Yep. Should his reputation be tarnished? Yes, and it will be. But your viewpoint is still way extreme.
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So if Lane Kiffen had done this, it's OK to to throw him in the cage with Bubba and a guy nicknamed "Ass Monger"?

Age, for a mentally sound man, does not affect right or wrong. If anything, it should crystallize it.

I honestly am still shocked JoPa and others are still employed!! Bets on when it goes down? I personally can't see him or others surviving the week.

Fab1b;962607 wrote:I honestly am still shocked JoPa and others are still employed!! Bets on when it goes down? I personally can't see him or others surviving the week.

I would guess by the end of the week before the Nebraska game. I think the PSU muckety-mucks underestimated the public outrage resulting from this. If I'm a PSU alum I don't know how I could support the program or the university until the house is cleaned. So many bad decisions made by so many people in high power that had outrageous results.

I may have scarlet-colored glasses on.... but if Tressel is forced out for covering up memorabilia selling, then JoePa gets shit-canned for covering up CHILD MOLESTATION THAT HAPPENED IN PSU FACILITIES. Not tomorrow. Not a week from now. Not even an hour from now. Right now. And every minute he's still their coach is a disgrace.

A few things PSU needs to do: clean house. Everyone on athletic staff that has control is replaced. Every coach, assistant, etc is gone. There's no way of knowing who knew what, etc. They're just all gone. You grovel to the public for forgiveness and say 'we've turned a new page starting henceforth.' And then, only then, can I consider this whole debacle right in the eyes of the university.

Maybe I'm being harsh being a fan of OSU. But, this isn't NCAA rule breaking. This isn't even the fact these are criminal charges. It's young kids being taken advantage of and these sick fucks letting it happen. They're culpable.

^agree with you 100%

Completely agree. I don't know how you could continue to be a fan.