Skyhook79;1009817 wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/264095/20111208/jerry-sandusky-s-wife-dottie-speaks-statement.htm

"I have absolutely no idea why all these boys would tell on Jerry after he gave them so many gifts in return for a little gay buttsecks." ~Dottie Sandusky

Just got a SortsCenter alert on my phone stating JoPa admitted to hospital after fracturing pelvis at home.

Wonder if he slipped in the shower with Sandusky? J/k

How soon til PSU is looking for a conference?

Funny how we never heard a peep about Joe Pa's health issues until this scandal hit. Now his son puts out regular bulletins every time something new happens.

I'm sure it's an effort to build sympathy for the old coot and try and focus attention away from the fact that he did nothing while a predator roamed his football facilities and raped young boys.

gerb131;1011122 wrote:How soon til PSU is looking for a conference?

If most of their fan base had its way, the change would have happened years ago. While many would like to change, I doubt the school will give up all the money they get from the association (and I'm not talking athletic dollars here, but research monies).

Skyhook79;1009816 wrote:http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/04/v-print/132046/ncaa-will-have-to-wait-its-turn.html

"And while precise language addressing a situation like Penn State University's child sex abuse scandal appears nowhere in the rulebook, the NCAA appears open to using Article 2.1 to mete out punishment — even though it appears no underlying NCAA rules were broken."


"Plus the NCAA has no subpoena power," added Sievert, who is not involved with the Penn State case. "Why would Sandusky or (fired head football coach Joe) Paterno even interview with the NCAA? Neither are going to be coaching ever again anyway."

"Same goes for former Penn State Vice President Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley, both charged with perjury and failure to report a child rape that prosecutors say occurred on campus. Former President Graham Spanier stepped down on Nov. 9 as a result of the scandal and is currently on sabbatical from his teaching duties."

There are 50 people on the Penn State campus or were there that know about Sandusky and can be interviewed. They say follow the money, in this case follow the debauchery.

Another version of Mike McQueary's story about Jerry Sandusky surfaces

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html

According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:
McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.
Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.
That account is different from the hand-written statement obtained by The Patriot-News that McQueary provided for investigators when he was interviewed in 2010.
It’s also different than the summary of his grand jury testimony in the 23-page initial grand jury presentment.

Writerbuckeye;1011424 wrote:Funny how we never heard a peep about Joe Pa's health issues until this scandal hit. Now his son puts out regular bulletins every time something new happens.

I'm sure it's an effort to build sympathy for the old coot and try and focus attention away from the fact that he did nothing while a predator roamed his football facilities and raped young boys.

Uh, we heard about Joe Pa's health all the time. Its hard to hide things like a fractured pelvis

Speedofsand;1011953 wrote:Another version of Mike McQueary's story about Jerry Sandusky surfaces

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html

According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:
McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.
Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.
That account is different from the hand-written statement obtained by The Patriot-News that McQueary provided for investigators when he was interviewed in 2010.
It’s also different than the summary of his grand jury testimony in the 23-page initial grand jury presentment.

This guy is such a tool. The only thing McQueary is doing is actually HELPING Sanduksy at this point. Pretty much everything that he has said can be tossed at this point.

Writerbuckeye;1011424 wrote:Funny how we never heard a peep about Joe Pa's health issues until this scandal hit. Now his son puts out regular bulletins every time something new happens.

I'm sure it's an effort to build sympathy for the old coot and try and focus attention away from the fact that he did nothing while a predator roamed his football facilities and raped young boys.

He was diagnosed with lung cancer well after the scandal broke, are you really that clueless or just play that way?

I can honestly see him getting out of this. His lawyers are going to say that all these under privileged kids are just trying to get money from this. The ginger may have just screwed this case big time bc he was the key eye witness and now that he lied they will throw everything that he says out

Skyhook79;1012124 wrote:He was diagnosed with lung cancer well after the scandal broke, are you really that clueless or just play that way?

Well after was like a week. And what you are saying supports his theory.

WebFire;1012140 wrote:Well after was like a week. And what you are saying supports his theory.

More like 3 weeks after the story broke and he has no credible theory to support.

I've never liked Mcqueary's story. From the 2002 report, you don't shy away if a kid is getting buttraped and not call the cops. He covered it up as much as anyone. It looks like his story changing will help Curley and Schultz, but not Sandusky. Mcqueary is only 1 of many witnesses against Sandusky. Paterno is a victim here. People say he knew everything and ran everything at PSU including the board. Why did the board act so fast to fire him, not put him on paid leave until the whole story was known? I thought the board must have had something bad against Paterno to fire him, but now I hear locals calling for the board members to be investigated. The cover up is big. From the original investigation being dropped, to the D.A./now Governor's connection to Second Mile, to the '02 shower cover up, the police cover ups, far more than Paterno involved here. I still don't see how all parties involved could still be together after all this had been happening. Mcqueary still working there, Sandusky still around, Mcqueary going to Second Mile charity events, Curley and Schultz and lawyers and judges had all been quiet about Sandusky? Why?

Speedofsand;1011953 wrote:Another version of Mike McQueary's story about Jerry Sandusky surfaces

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/another_version_of_mike_mcquea.html

According to the source with knowledge of Dranov’s testimony before the grand jury, it went like this:
McQueary heard "sex sounds" and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view.
Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.
That account is different from the hand-written statement obtained by The Patriot-News that McQueary provided for investigators when he was interviewed in 2010.
It’s also different than the summary of his grand jury testimony in the 23-page initial grand jury presentment.

If true it looks like there was a rush to judgement on Joe Paterno and the AD and Pres. smh

Dranov's testimony was obviously ignored by the grand jury, because they believed the assault took place. It's obvious McQueary's testimony was believed as charges followed.

What isn't being talked about here is that Dranov has his own behind to worry about. If he knew something was going on and didn't report it, he has a lot to lose. It serves his purpose to discredit MM as much as anyone else who has ties to PSU.

People are saying MM's story is changing but that's not true. MM has stuck to his story so far as anything public he's said. It's this version being told by a different person that has changed. And, as noted, that person has a lot to lose if it's shown he knew what was happening and didn't do anything.

Writerbuckeye;1012297 wrote:Dranov's testimony was obviously ignored by the grand jury, because they believed the assault took place. It's obvious McQueary's testimony was believed as charges followed.

What isn't being talked about here is that Dranov has his own behind to worry about. If he knew something was going on and didn't report it, he has a lot to lose. It serves his purpose to discredit MM as much as anyone else who has ties to PSU.

People are saying MM's story is changing but that's not true. MM has stuck to his story so far as anything public he's said. It's this version being told by a different person that has changed. And, as noted, that person has a lot to lose if it's shown he knew what was happening and didn't do anything.

Grand Jury's are never wrong. /sarcasm

I guess your forgetting his e-mail to his friend that told yet another story.

Fact: MM has not publicly changed his story despite what was posted on this forum to make it sound like he has.

Fact: The grand jury believed MM and not Dranov, or there wouldn't have been charges filed on that incident.

Fact: Dranov could lose his medical license if it's found he knew about a child rape and didn't report it. He has to make it sound like there was nothing conclusive told to him.

Unlike you, I'm not a member of the Joe Paterno cult of personality, so I can accept the facts that have come forward so far, and don't have to try and discredit anything that paints Paterno in a bad light.

Writerbuckeye;1012309 wrote:Fact: MM has not publicly changed his story despite what was posted on this forum to make it sound like he has.

Fact: The grand jury believed MM and not Dranov, or there wouldn't have been charges filed on that incident.

Fact: Dranov could lose his medical license if it's found he knew about a child rape and didn't report it. He has to make it sound like there was nothing conclusive told to him.

Unlike you, I'm not a member of the Joe Paterno cult of personality, so I can accept the facts that have come forward so far, and don't have to try and discredit anything that paints Paterno in a bad light.

Fact: "The most persistent criticism of grand juries is that jurors are not a representative sampling of the community, and are not qualified for jury service, in that they do not possess a satisfactory ability to ask pertinent questions, or sufficient understanding of local government and the concept of due process.[SUP][23][/SUP] Unlike potential jurors in regular trials, grand jurors are not screened for bias or other improper factors. They are rarely read any instruction on the law, as this is not a requirement; their job is only to judge on what the prosecutor produced. The prosecutor drafts the charges and decides which witnesses to call.[SUP][10][/SUP] The prosecutor is not obliged to present evidence in favor of those being investigated. Grand jury witnesses have no right to have a lawyer or family in the room, and can be charged with holding the court in contempt (punishable with incarceration for the remaining term of the grand jury) if they refuse to appear before the jury[SUP][24][/SUP] and all evidence is presented by a prosecutor in a cloak of secrecy, as the prosecutor, grand jurors, and the grand jury stenographer are prohibited from disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding.[SUP][10][/SUP]After a grand jury was commissioned to investigate whistleblowers organization WikiLeaks, grand juries have been accused of being used as an intimidation and persecution mechanism against whistleblowers and anti-war activists.[SUP][25]"[/SUP]

Copying from Wiki isn't exactly proof of anything and doesn't help your cause here.

McQueary's story keeps changing, could he be arrested and sent to jail for perjury? What would happen if this whole thing is a bunch of lies and this guy is responsible for bringing down Penn State football and Paterno because he was bored and wanted to be noticed. I am not saying it didn't happen, because I would find it hard to believe that this many people could claim to be molested by the same guy. I just think that McQueary is not credible and I hope they have more proof than his ever changing stories because if this is not true, I will bet that the ginger head is found dead within 1 month for causing Paterno to be fired.

'Fact: MM has not publicly changed his story despite what was posted on this forum to make it sound like he has"

Fact, the only story MM could possibly face perjury charges is the one he told to the GJ...he had no reason to gin up the story more.

Fact, laughable that anyone thinks JoePa has been treated unfairly given that he's the head coach and one of the top figureheads in the worst scandal in college sports.

"People are saying MM's story is changing but that's not true. MM has stuck to his story so far as anything public he's said. "

Indeed, the article Skyhook posted seemed to think that MM's testimony that he witnessed sodomy is different from the police report that he didn't see insertion, what? Just because someone doesn't stick around to look under Jerry's undercarriage to make sure there is true penetration doesn't negate the common sense report that someone slapping up against a boy is evidence of a sexual act, and given a boy doesn't have a vagina that only leaves one orifice. Does "horseplay" now mean dry humping, or in this case wet humping?

Apparently the defense waived the hearing, way to waste the court's time.

Manhattan Buckeye;1013283 wrote:Apparently the defense waived the hearing, way to waste the court's time.

This happens all the time and is not uncommon at all.