vball10set;983967 wrote:

I think you are confused that was you during the Jim Tressel investigation.

Skyhook79;983972 wrote:I think you are confused that was you during the Jim Tressel investigation.

lol..actually, I had the scarlet and gray glasses off for that mess....and sorry, hook, I just coudn't resist after Big Gain's post

Big Gain;983796 wrote:Paterno and Penn State's former chief disciplinarian Vicky Triponey, the Standards and Conduct Officer, clashed repeatedly when football players broke rules and got in trouble. Paterno would always tell her he knew better than she did how to discipline his players. All other coaches respected her position and would work with her when it came to disciplining their athletes. Paterno demanding that he and his players be treated differently than any other coach and athlete at Penn State caused Tripony to "resign" her positoion.

Those who don't think Paterno was the most powerful person in Happy Valley and had the knowledge and power to stop Sandusky more than 10 years ago look like an ostrich.

You don't think it's this way at most schools?

WebFire;984001 wrote:You don't think it's this way at most schools?

I have no doubt the head coach at the major players hold a lot of sway in making decisions about discipline, but I'd also bet few of those universities have a culture that is as insular and inbred as State College and PSU. It's that closed atmosphere that gave Paterno his power, and it also allowed a predator to roam freely for decades, despite whispers and allegations that I'm betting we'll find out were fairly well known.

That actual child molestor being allowed access to the football facilities after multiple accusations is the immediate problem here and it cast Paterno his job. With that decision, I'm in agreement. After something that big, there are bound to be numerous fallout stories such as this. I'm not saying this lady is making this up. But it is one side of a story and we have very little context. It's an easy time to pile on the accusations. The investigation - if it is truly conducted well - will unearth these issues if they are valid. Until them, I think it is unfair to the process to make judgements on a person's story.

Says the ostrich with his head in the sand.

The NY Times has a story today about a guy who was molested around age 11 by a PSU professor and how when he brought the issue to Spanier (the former president) it was pretty much dropped as Penn State circled the wagons. In the end, he got a pretty nice settlement from Penn State, but he had to go through the court system in another state (the professor had shared him across state lines) to get the issue brought out in the open.

The case itself is significant in how it further shows the insular nature of PSU and State College, and how the folks go to great lengths to fend off any allegations, rather than facing them head on and letting the chips fall where they may.

Investigators are going to find it tough sledding for a while, at least, until some of those barriers get broken down. There's also the issue of PSU being exempt from state open record laws, so the university will have to voluntarily open up all their files or lawmakers are going to have to change the law to give them access. A very unusual setup PSU had; most state universities are subject to open record laws elsewhere in the country.

Not being subjected to the "threat" of having things revealed in record searches that every other public institution might find itself facing most certainly had to add to the cloistered and protected atmosphere PSU officials enjoyed.

It also helped foster the events that allowed a predator to roam with little fear of repercussions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-graham-spanier-enjoyed-success-and-secrecy.html

Stephen A. Smith just suggested on First Take that PSU should get the death penalty... I'm so glad ESPN has found somewhere for him since the NBA isn't happening.

One of Sandusky's adopted children has said he was molested by his father.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7327280/penn-state-nittany-lions-scandal-jerry-sandusky-arrested-new-sex-abuse-charges

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/07/9279239-alleged-victim-says-cries-for-help-from-sandusky-basement-went-unheeded

One of the new alleged victims in the sexual harassment case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky told a grand jury that Sandusky's wife ignored his screams for help while Sandusky raped him in the basement of their home.
Sandusky rearrested in Pennsylvania
The young man, identified in the new complaint as Victim No. 9, who is now 18 years old, said in his testimony that Sandusky attempted to rape him at least 16 times, sometimes successfully.

^^ I know these children were underprivileged but at what point do you stop going around this guy?

mucalum49;1006089 wrote:^^ I know these children were underprivileged but at what point do you stop going around this guy?

Not many 11 and 12 year olds have the ability or power to dictate how the spend their time.

No wonder this guy retired at 55. He was so busy with his child raping activities, he had no time for football. The stories of these kids breaks your heart. I can only imagine the isolation they must have felt knowing they came from troubled homes.

I'm waiting for enough evidence to show his wife was all but complicit in his activities. Obviously, she was an enabler. Now it's just a matter of proving that she had to have known what was going on.

How can a child yell out in her home and she not hear it? Unless she has hearing loss, it's just another of the things about this case that makes your skin crawl.

ccrunner609;1006144 wrote:I cant see how this doesnt get the NCAA to investigate PSU and offer up the death penalty

Based on violating what NCAA rules?

My friend emailed me a link I thought I would share...long thread but the content in it is interesting:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=8409106&p=5

I don't know if there are any words that can appropriately describe the amount of respect I continue to lose for the collective Penn State fan base.

Thoughts on the link:
#1: Their jealousy and vitrol toward OSU is sad and hilarious at the same time. They're our Michigan State. Sure, it's a nice side rivalry, but it is never going to mean more than the BIG one and this will never get through to them.
#2: Almost equally as hilarious is their vastly overinflated sense of self-importance. Really, it almost rivals Michigan fans in terms of arrogance with the only difference being that Michigan's arrogance actually has some historical validity. I believe one poster wrote something to the effect of 'We are the most important school in the B1G'.
#3: I still don't think Penn State fans 'get it'. They are going above and beyond to show the rest of the CFB world the levels of delusion in State College are unrivaled.
#4: Please, Penn State fans. Don't pretend for a second that the B1G needs you more than you need them right now. Or Ever.

queencitybuckeye;1007106 wrote:Based on violating what NCAA rules?

Failure to monitor??

Midstate01;1009694 wrote:Failure to monitor??

I think the answer to the question remains to be seen. It's not like the NCAA needs a reason to do a little digging.

A MAJOR MAJOR "Lack of Institutional Control" at the highest levels. This will end up being THE BIGGEST cover up in NCAA history.

queencitybuckeye;1007106 wrote:Based on violating what NCAA rules?

A MAJOR MAJOR "Lack Of Institutional Control" at the highest levels. This will end up being THE BIGGEST cover up in NCAA history. There will end up being dozens of coaches and administrators that knew about Sandusky's proclivity and did nothing to stop the animal.

queencitybuckeye;1007106 wrote:Based on violating what NCAA rules?

A MAJOR MAJOR "Lack Of Institutional Control" at the highest levels. This will end up being THE BIGGEST cover up in NCAA history. There will end up being dozens of coaches and administrators that knew about Sandusky's proclivity and did nothing to stop the animal, all just to protect Penn State's brand name.

dtdtim;981539 wrote:I disagree here. I don't by any means think the NCAA is going to hammer Penn State but I don't think they're going to leave Happy Valley without giving them something. Even the NCAA, as big of a fraud as it is, knows that even the most casual follower of the USC/OSU/PSU scandals would be alarmed to see punishments handed to USC and OSU while PSU gets off scot-free. It might not technically be 100% sports related but it is enough to accuse them of LOIC and enough for the NCAA to go in and start digging.
It would be a PR disaster of the type of level that PSU has perpetuated for itself if the NCAA doesn't act in some way.

Can someone clarify this for me? The NCAA isn't a federal court and they pretty much have free reign to conduct themselves and punish as they see fit for what they feel is wrong. That means they don't need a reason to investigate any school. They just can, right? If a school doesn't like it, they don't have to be a member of the NCAA, but the legal options for schools that disagree with NCAA findings are not much?

It seems that, whether they like it or not or even think it's fair, Penn State just has to deal with it and cooperate.

If they don't co-operate FULLY the penalties will multiply exponentially.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/04/v-print/132046/ncaa-will-have-to-wait-its-turn.html

"And while precise language addressing a situation like Penn State University's child sex abuse scandal appears nowhere in the rulebook, the NCAA appears open to using Article 2.1 to mete out punishment — even though it appears no underlying NCAA rules were broken."


"Plus the NCAA has no subpoena power," added Sievert, who is not involved with the Penn State case. "Why would Sandusky or (fired head football coach Joe) Paterno even interview with the NCAA? Neither are going to be coaching ever again anyway."

"Same goes for former Penn State Vice President Gary Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley, both charged with perjury and failure to report a child rape that prosecutors say occurred on campus. Former President Graham Spanier stepped down on Nov. 9 as a result of the scandal and is currently on sabbatical from his teaching duties."

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/264095/20111208/jerry-sandusky-s-wife-dottie-speaks-statement.htm