Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Dec 20, 2011 10:49am
Urban Meyer also was the head coach at Florida, while Florida State and Miami were "down." The talent as his disposal down there isn't even comparable. Then you have to at least recognize that every "butthurt" Ohio State can claimed there is an SEC recruiting ranking conspiracy. Oh how we forget so quickly.namod65;1020386 wrote:During his career at OSU, Tressel managed just 3 top 5 classes, and 4 top 10 classes. Texas, Florida, Alabama, USC were all consistently ahead of OSU during his years.
Team rankings from rivals:
2002: 5
2003: 41
2004: 9
2005: 12
2006: 12 (Urban was 2nd)
2007: 15 (Urban was 1st)
2008: 4 (Urban was 3rd)
2009: 3 (Urban was 11th)
2010: 25 (Urban was 2nd)
2011: 11
It's obvious how much better Urban is and how people gave Tress more credit as a recruiter than he deserved. He was AWESOME at turning the lesser ranked players into stars, but it is much easier to win when you have better talent, which is what Urban brings to the table.
And I even said Urban was a better recruiter. But I still think Tressel would have had most of these guys committed.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 20, 2011 10:51am
Right, because them being "down" didn't have anything to do with what recruits were being snagged right out from under them in their own state.:rolleyes:Tobias Fünke;1021648 wrote:Urban Meyer also was the head coach at Florida, while Florida State and Miami were "down." The talent as his disposal down there isn't even comparable.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Dec 20, 2011 10:57am
That may be true. But let's not pretend that the Florida powers don't essentially take turns being king of the hill and the recruiting class of the leading school is always ridiculous.ytownfootball;1021651 wrote:Right, because them being "down" didn't have anything to do with what recruits were being snagged right out from under them in their own state.:rolleyes:
I feel like if Mack Brown would have come to Ohio State and done the same thing you would all be proclaiming him the best recruiter ever, and ignoring the fact that he gets 90% of his talent just by offering because there are so many good football players down there. And AGAIN, I think Meyer is a elite recruiter, but it's not like he gets everyone he wants. Some of this drooling is silly and is unwarranted.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 20, 2011 11:04am
LOL @ ND fans trying to downplay Urban's recruiting ability. Let me know when BK wins a BCS bowl game, then ND fans can at least begin the conversation that BK isn't a waste of space and an overrated coach.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 20, 2011 11:05am
Tobias Fünke;1021664 wrote:That may be true. But let's not pretend that the Florida powers don't essentially take turns being king of the hill and the recruiting class of the leading school is always ridiculous.
I feel like if Mack Brown would have come to Ohio State and done the same thing you would all be proclaiming him the best recruiter ever, and ignoring the fact that he gets 90% of his talent just by offering because there are so many good football players down there. And AGAIN, I think Meyer is a elite recruiter, but it's not like he gets everyone he wants. Some of this drooling is silly and is unwarranted.
Look, I realize that of all the schools in the mid west that stand to lose the most by a resurgent Michigan and the hiring of Urban Meyer is Notre Dame, but you're really trying to polish a turd with some of your shit.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 20, 2011 11:30am
I'm not worked up. It's just ignorant on your part as well as very irrelevant to this thread...errrr...hijacked thread.se-alum;1021628 wrote:I'd be willing to bet 75% of the UM fanbase couldn't care less about the probation the UM program is on right now, and I'm not saying that's right or wrong. Point is, fanbases are going to downplay their teams transgressions. Didn't expect you to get that worked up over it.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 20, 2011 11:48am
do I detect a little jealousy here? 
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 20, 2011 12:03pm
ytownfootball;1021677 wrote:Look, I realize that of all the schools in the mid west that stand to lose the most by a resurgent Michigan and the hiring of Urban Meyer is Notre Dame, but you're really trying to polish a turd with some of your shit.
for the most part, Notre Dame and OSU recruit different kids. Just because Cowherd said Notre Dame would be hurt by Meyer at OSU doesn't make it true.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 20, 2011 12:11pm
Not a fan of Cowherd, at all. But I would agree. It isn't just Meyer at OSU either, when things pick up generally in the B1G Notre Dame stands to lose the most and I don't really see it as arguable.karen lotz;1021734 wrote:for the most part, Notre Dame and OSU recruit different kids. Just because Cowherd said Notre Dame would be hurt by Meyer at OSU doesn't make it true.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 20, 2011 12:14pm
ND wasn't recruiting Spence or Schutt?karen lotz;1021734 wrote:for the most part, Notre Dame and OSU recruit different kids. Just because Cowherd said Notre Dame would be hurt by Meyer at OSU doesn't make it true.
Interesting, I could have sworn ND fans were slobbering at the mouth to get these guys. Guess what? They are Buckeyes, enjoy!
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 20, 2011 12:22pm
Guess what, Kelly called Schutt a half hour before he was going to commit to Notre Dame and told him there wasn't room for him. Michigan did basically the same thing a few days later and then he committed to Penn State. Enjoy the truth!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 20, 2011 12:27pm
LOLkaren lotz;1021763 wrote:Guess what, Kelly called Schutt a half hour before he was going to commit to Notre Dame and told him there wasn't room for him. Michigan did basically the same thing a few days later and then he committed to Penn State. Enjoy the truth!
ND told him there wasn't room for him because they knew they had no chance of getting the kid. Any real talent goes somewhere other than South Bend, and you need to look no further than every single 12 star QB that's walked into ND. They all are garbage, and their mediocre 8-4 at best seasons show it.
The truth is, Notre Dame is terrible. You may have the last word if you like, but I'd like to get back to Ohio State, a University that wins both on and off the field.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 20, 2011 12:28pm
ytownfootball;1021746 wrote:Not a fan of Cowherd, at all. But I would agree. It isn't just Meyer at OSU either, when things pick up generally in the B1G Notre Dame stands to lose the most and I don't really see it as arguable.
Notre Dame doesn't recruit just in the Big Ten footprint. It might be more difficult to recruit that area, but it isn't impossible. Look at where their current commits are from and get back to me. Cowherd has zero clue how recruiting works, especially when it comes to Notre Dame. That isn't arguable as much as you want it to be.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 20, 2011 12:31pm
Whether true or not, it still means that Notre Dame gets hurt, you can argue to what degree all you want but the fact remains the same.karen lotz;1021771 wrote:Notre Dame doesn't recruit just in the Big Ten footprint. It might be more difficult to recruit that area, but it isn't impossible. Look at where their current commits are from and get back to me. Cowherd has zero clue how recruiting works, especially when it comes to Notre Dame. That isn't arguable as much as you want it to be.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 20, 2011 12:37pm
Gotcha, so it's ok for you to take a dig at Buckeye fans, but when it's reciprocated, it's ignorant(lhslep, is that you?)? To think I backed you up as one of the good UM fans on here.WebFire;1021694 wrote:I'm not worked up. It's just ignorant on your part as well as very irrelevant to this thread...errrr...hijacked thread.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 20, 2011 12:40pm
I took a dig at someone who said they didn't care about the sanctions. Don't be so soft.se-alum;1021791 wrote:Gotcha, so it's ok for you to take a dig at Buckeye fans, but when it's reciprocated, it's ignorant(lhslep, is that you?)? To think I backed you up as one of the good UM fans on here.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 20, 2011 12:44pm
And why should they care?WebFire;1021794 wrote:I took a dig at someone who said they didn't care about the sanctions. Don't be so soft.
Should I have had trouble sleeping last night? :laugh:
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 20, 2011 1:20pm
Haha, no. Different kind of care. Did you care that Tressel was fired? Did you lose sleep over it?Automatik;1021801 wrote:And why should they care?
Should I have had trouble sleeping last night? :laugh:
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 20, 2011 1:24pm
If I thought anything drastic would be announced today they I might care, but as of now I don't give a shit. I just want it out and over with.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 20, 2011 2:37pm
Lol this thread is full of fail
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bo shemmy3337
Posts: 962
Dec 21, 2011 2:58pm
No ND has had a top 10 class each of the past 5 years, and they don't win games they should. the stars mean nothing if they don't fit the system.vball10set;1021431 wrote:shemmy, have you been hitting the eggnog already?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Dec 21, 2011 3:24pm
The "stars" don't tend to mean all that much either. It's every bit as likely that a 3-star player will end up the best player on a team as one rated higher.bo shemmy3337;1023166 wrote:No ND has had a top 10 class each of the past 5 years, and they don't win games they should. the stars mean nothing if they don't fit the system.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Dec 22, 2011 2:09am
OR....get coached UP.bo shemmy3337;1023166 wrote:No ND has had a top 10 class each of the past 5 years, and they don't win games they should. the stars mean nothing if they don't fit the system.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Dec 22, 2011 2:15am
Which is meaningless. Tressel has no desire to be a head coach at another University. It's meaningless if Tressell wants to dabble in the NFL.LJ;1021550 wrote:I personally thing the only new thing we see is Tressel's Show Cause
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 22, 2011 8:47am
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/12/thursday-skull-session-1#more
lolSe'Von Pittman and Bri'onte Dunn have both stated to Scout.com's Bill Greene that they will not be changing their mind, and Noah Spence and Tommy Schutt have each reaffirmed their commitment to other sources. It would take a virtual destruction of the campus and eradication of Ohio State as a football program for any of the original 12 commitments to look elsewhere, so I think they're all safe.
In truth, the one year bowl ban should have zero affect on this year's recruiting class and moving forward. The only affect it may have is that Urban Meyer will get more time to focus on recruiting for 2013. Tough break for those who wish to recruit against him.
SCHOOL'S OUT. With the ringing of yesterday's school bell, most high schools around the country put 2011 to bed and will not be back in session until early 2012. For the Buckeyes, that's a pretty darn good thing.
Yesterday, the Buckeyes received the news that the recently committed Dunn would in fact be able to get enrolled in January, putting to rest any hopes that Brady Hoke and UM had about a signing day switch.
Dunn joins fellow 2012 commitments Cordale Jones, Mike Thomas, Tyvis Powell, Jacoby Boren, Josh Perry and Luke Roberts as early enrollees. Steubenville DB Najee Murray was working with his school to enroll early, but was unable to. He hopes to enroll in March.
For the players who enroll early, they get a huge head start not only on learning the playbook, but also getting acclimated to collegiate classes and college life. It's a tremendoud advantage, which I am sure Michigan's AD will complain about.