Is Ohio football becoming stagnant?

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knight56

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Dec 8, 2009 11:44 AM
As reported by another site I won't mention. Four of the states title winners only threw a combined 12 passes during their title games. This style may be prevalent in Ohio, but I personally feel we are falling further and further behind the rest of the nation in developing certain skill positions. How many if any QB's or WR's have been listed in ESPNs top 100 over the last few years?
Dec 8, 2009 11:44am
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queencitybuckeye

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Dec 8, 2009 12:05 PM
Winning > Serving as a minor league for the college game.
Dec 8, 2009 12:05pm
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september63

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Dec 8, 2009 12:06 PM
As a fan of your (pick any) school. So you want to produce QB's and WR's with big numbers? Or do you want to win championships? The coaches that won state titles won by using their players the best way they saw fit to win!!
Dec 8, 2009 12:06pm
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BigDog

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Dec 8, 2009 12:08 PM
Teams that run the ball 99% of the time are extremely boring to watch. But in many situations, it works.

Stagnent, I don't know, the running game is still developing and becoming more complex.

The fact that 4 of the 6 winners ran the ball primarily, isn't the norm. But then again if it's working and the opponant cannot stop the run, why do anything else? A good team has a ballanced offense with a good defense.
Dec 8, 2009 12:08pm
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Dec 8, 2009 12:18 PM
Coldwater's QB.......Wenning 40-54 414yds and 3 TD's, ran 14 for 71 yds and a TD

WR..........14 catches for 135 and a TD
WR...........10 catches for 123 and a TD

They lost the game in a blowout!! Big numbers dont mean anything if you cant win the game!!
Dec 8, 2009 12:18pm
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darbypitcher22

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Dec 8, 2009 12:24 PM
winning is paramount. why not run a system that you know will win games?
Dec 8, 2009 12:24pm
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Dec 8, 2009 12:26 PM
6 posts in I think we have clear opinions on this topic? LOL
Dec 8, 2009 12:26pm
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knight56

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Dec 8, 2009 12:38 PM
There's no doubt in Ohio it's the predominant style of football and winning is the bottom line, but who benefits the most? The school and the coach!! How about the kids who have the potential to play college ball in certain skill positions that will never get showcased? You can't tell me Florida, Calif and Texas has better skill players than Ohio does.
Dec 8, 2009 12:38pm
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Strapping Young Lad

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Dec 8, 2009 12:46 PM
I'd be more concerned about winning. But that said, other states, like TX, will surpass us at skills positions, especially QB, because successful colleges want players to run the spread or at least be players that CAN throw and catch and have done so in HS. So in that regard Ohio will fall behind.
Dec 8, 2009 12:46pm
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visionquest

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Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM
knight56 wrote: There's no doubt in Ohio it's the predominant style of football and winning is the bottom line, but who benefits the most? The school and the coach!! How about the kids who have the potential to play college ball in certain skill positions that will never get showcased? You can't tell me Florida, Calif and Texas has better skill players than Ohio does.
-No offense brutha, but you sound exactly like a crapload of delusional parents who think their son or daughter is a Div. 1 prospect regardless of stats, ability, etc. They simply ARE because they have to be that good. Sorry, the idea is to win. And the school benefits? My gracious, what a terrible idea that is! For shame the school, and the student body enjoy winning, but if Jonny gets his scholarship...then, it's all good!
Dec 8, 2009 12:57pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Dec 8, 2009 1:13 PM
knight56 wrote: but who benefits the most? The school and the coach!!
Team > I
Dec 8, 2009 1:13pm
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knight56

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Dec 8, 2009 1:14 PM
visionquest, not even close. You're missing my whole point. I've been watching the Fla and Calif. state playoffs and their style is totally different than Ohios. Heaven forbid anyone question the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. It's your way of thinking that will keep Ohio football in the dark ages. Check out the ESPN top 100 over the last 5 yrs. How many skill players have come out of Ohio?
Dec 8, 2009 1:14pm
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Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM
I think it'll hurt teams that recruit in Ohio too. As the game opens up at the college level, Teams are going to look after skills guys who have played in these systems from early on in there football careers...

When Big 10 teams get there kids from states like Ohio there going to be at a disadvantage, if this is in fact a trend that will continue.

There was just an article in SI last week about the hot commodity that Texas QBs are right now. TX is practically breeding CFB QBs with their style of football....

Not saying its good or bad. It is what it is. If you're concerned about OH being surpassed by other states as far as CFB recruits then it's not good news for you.
Dec 8, 2009 3:17pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Dec 8, 2009 3:45 PM
knight56 wrote: Four of the states title winners only threw a combined 12 passes during their title games. This style may be prevalent in Ohio,
I've seen Ohio teams with balanced offenses and Ohio teams that throw, throw, and throw some more. It's not the style of Ohio football, just the style of winning football.
Dec 8, 2009 3:45pm
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Offensiveline

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Dec 8, 2009 4:41 PM
knight56 wrote: visionquest, not even close. You're missing my whole point. I've been watching the Fla and Calif. state playoffs and their style is totally different than Ohios. Heaven forbid anyone question the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. It's your way of thinking that will keep Ohio football in the dark ages. Check out the ESPN top 100 over the last 5 yrs. How many skill players have come out of Ohio?
Dec 8, 2009 4:41pm
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Dec 8, 2009 4:43 PM
knight56 wrote: visionquest, not even close. You're missing my whole point. I've been watching the Fla and Calif. state playoffs and their style is totally different than Ohios. Heaven forbid anyone question the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. It's your way of thinking that will keep Ohio football in the dark ages. Check out the ESPN top 100 over the last 5 yrs. How many skill players have come out of Ohio?
And how many of those games where played on a frozen tundra? Or even cold weather? The run game is vital in the cold and/or rain.

This is why Ohio/Big Ten has so many go on to the NFL. They can handle the elements which the NFL demands.
Dec 8, 2009 4:43pm
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justcompete

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Dec 8, 2009 4:49 PM
Things might also be a little different if Ohio had spring football like the above mentioned states. Timing in the passing game takes much more practice than a running game. Maybe the OHSAA needs to wake up and realize they are holding programs back.
Dec 8, 2009 4:49pm
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visionquest

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Dec 8, 2009 7:36 PM
knight56 wrote: visionquest, not even close. You're missing my whole point. I've been watching the Fla and Calif. state playoffs and their style is totally different than Ohios. Heaven forbid anyone question the three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. It's your way of thinking that will keep Ohio football in the dark ages. Check out the ESPN top 100 over the last 5 yrs. How many skill players have come out of Ohio?
-You're right, I change my mind, I should be worried about Ohio football being in the dark ages. I want all teams to throw all the time. Just messin' with ya man.
Dec 8, 2009 7:36pm
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Dec 8, 2009 7:43 PM
I didn't realize there was a competition between Ohio and the other states on who has the most skill position players?

Seriously, who cares? Ohio is a breeding ground for RBs.
Dec 8, 2009 7:43pm
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Dec 8, 2009 8:11 PM
Mooney44Cards wrote: I didn't realize there was a competition between Ohio and the other states on who has the most skill position players?

Seriously, who cares? Ohio is a breeding ground for RBs.
Its just all about winning!! PERIOD! 06 Dover QB Percy Garner threw for 4000 yds and 40 TD's. Ifft caught 105 passes for 1600 yards. Dover didnt win it all. Dover fans love the stats but would have rather had a TITLE. This year Dover ran 50/50 and our QB was 1st team All Ohio, we still didnt win it all. Stats mean nothing!!
Dec 8, 2009 8:11pm
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Dec 8, 2009 8:30 PM
Idk...is this part of the reason Ohio St. has been had trouble lately with big schools from the South, CA, TX???

LSU, UF, UT, USC...
Dec 8, 2009 8:30pm
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buckeyebebe

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Dec 9, 2009 9:27 AM
knight56 wrote: How about the kids who have the potential to play college ball in certain skill positions that will never get showcased? You can't tell me Florida, Calif and Texas has better skill players than Ohio does.
They transfer to a school who pass, pass, passes, i.e. St X, Iggy, Mooney, Coffman...What really matters is the 'team and developing the kids as individuals, not to be a minor league for colleges.
Dec 9, 2009 9:27am
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Con_Alma

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Dec 9, 2009 9:31 AM
Wow. Great line buckeyebebe. I couldn't agree more.
Dec 9, 2009 9:31am
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Con_Alma

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Dec 9, 2009 9:34 AM
I have never equated running the ball and a team primarily doing so as stagnant. The triple option, the vere and the midline are wonderful things to watch when done properly. More and more teams are putting it in.
Dec 9, 2009 9:34am
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knight56

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Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM
I have no issues with coaches and programs who predominately run if that's the cards they've been dealt talent wise. It's the programs that ignore talent to suit their system. A perfect example of programs and coaches who master the use of their talent is Kettering Alter and Mt. Union. Their system will fluctuate from year to year depending on the talent they have at their disposal.
Dec 9, 2009 10:23am