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Mar 14, 2011 4:20 PM
Thread Bomber;711977 wrote:



Y'all can kis my southern ass!
...love the Obama '08 photochop
Mar 14, 2011 4:20pm
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Mar 14, 2011 4:27 PM
queencitybuckeye;711979 wrote:Do you not understand the distinction between a nation and its people? Or would you prefer not to think about it because after doing so, you would realize that hating the citizens of a country for the acts of its government makes you look extremely stupid?
Mar 14, 2011 4:27pm
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Mar 14, 2011 4:59 PM
queencitybuckeye;711979 wrote:Do you not understand the distinction between a nation and its people? Or would you prefer not to think about it because after doing so, you would realize that hating the citizens of a country for the acts of its government makes you look extremely stupid?

In a democracy, the government represents the people. Why are these different?
Mar 14, 2011 4:59pm
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Mar 14, 2011 6:18 PM
mrtinkertrain;711968 wrote:I have a fundamental problem with ever helping a nation that launched a sneak attack on us and tortured thousands of our POW's. You can say it was 65 years ago but those people who suffered under the japanese have to be remembered and accounted for by someone.
England should definitely never help us then as we murdered a bunch of their soldiers while they slept on Christmas.
Mar 14, 2011 6:18pm
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Mar 14, 2011 6:27 PM
since everyone seems to do this and it works 100% of the time, I will be sending my prayers

give me the noble prize whenever the relief is done
Mar 14, 2011 6:27pm
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Mar 14, 2011 6:30 PM
I donated for Katrina. I gave blood a month ago thats bout it.
Mar 14, 2011 6:30pm
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Mar 14, 2011 6:35 PM
mrtinkertrain;711968 wrote:I have a fundamental problem with ever helping a nation that launched a sneak attack on us and tortured thousands of our POW's. You can say it was 65 years ago but those people who suffered under the japanese have to be remembered and accounted for by someone.
So you will probably never help the US out either after what they did to the native people of this land, I am guessing. Full out lying and genocide of the indigenous people of the Americas.
sleeper;712036 wrote:In a democracy, the government represents the people. Why are these different?

Well, during WW2 I am pretty sure Japan was ruled by an emperor, not a democracy. Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure. So it very well could've been a sole act of the government with no regard to what the people thought. Maybe....
Mar 14, 2011 6:35pm
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Mar 14, 2011 6:53 PM
iclfan2;711879 wrote:Nothing. I'm pretty sure our own country still has problems.

Pretty much the way I feel.
Mar 14, 2011 6:53pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:04 PM
The amount of coin this country (you and I) send in foreign aid goes largely unappreciated. In fact, it seems to get us in trouble from those who don't receive it, it causes more problems for us here than it does good for those who receive it. I'll not add to what we already give through taxation just to make myself feel better, I don't feel badly anyway.
Mar 14, 2011 7:04pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:31 PM
What did Japan donate to us for Katrina? The Gulf Oil Spill?
Mar 14, 2011 7:31pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:31 PM
I will echo the sentiments of the previous three posters.
Mar 14, 2011 7:31pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:32 PM
mrtinkertrain;711968 wrote:I have a fundamental problem with ever helping a nation that launched a sneak attack on us and tortured thousands of our POW's. You can say it was 65 years ago but those people who suffered under the japanese have to be remembered and accounted for by someone.

Ehh to me the two atomic bombs we dropped on them and the firebombing of their capital city sort of leveled it out to me.


I'm against giving money to aid groups, but I am giving clothes and blankets to the Red Cross that I know will end up over there.
Also, Japan is not Haiti. It is the 3rd largest economy. It will rebound.

Finally, I think the workers who are risking their life to ensure the power plants do not go into complete meltdown deserve honorable praise. Several have already died and been injured with sickness.
Mar 14, 2011 7:32pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:33 PM
The Japanese are a fairly resourceful and resilient people. They'll be fine without my help.
Mar 14, 2011 7:33pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:35 PM
ptown_trojans_1;712227 wrote:Katrina: Over $1.5 million in aid.
I'm underwhelmed.
Mar 14, 2011 7:35pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:40 PM
sleeper;712036 wrote:In a democracy, the government represents the people. Why are these different?

NO country in the world is a true democracy. We have a representative democracy; those people are supposed to figure out the collective will of the people, but they don't truly represent the people all that well.
Mar 14, 2011 7:40pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:49 PM
believer;712231 wrote:I'm underwhelmed.

As am I. We have already spent that much.
Mar 14, 2011 7:49pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:56 PM
mrtinkertrain;711968 wrote:I have a fundamental problem with ever helping a nation that launched a sneak attack on us and tortured thousands of our POW's. You can say it was 65 years ago but those people who suffered under the japanese have to be remembered and accounted for by someone.
I completely agree with the latter sentiment. However, it isn't up to us to judge someone else for something their ancestors did. By saying otherwise, one legitimizes a grudge against white, American people by Native Americans, Brits, Mexicans, and anyone with dark skin. My ancestors may have killed, tortured, enslaved, and abused any or all of these, but I am not, and I can't think it just for another human being to try to exact that judgment of his own accord.
I Wear Pants;712122 wrote:England should definitely never help us then as we murdered a bunch of their soldiers while they slept on Christmas.
Mar 14, 2011 7:56pm
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Mar 14, 2011 7:59 PM
Actually, Most of the soldiers were Hessian in the battle of Trenton.

They were German.. All is good :)!
Mar 14, 2011 7:59pm
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Mar 14, 2011 8:00 PM
All I am saying is take care of your own first and we don't.
Mar 14, 2011 8:00pm
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Mar 14, 2011 8:32 PM
mrtinkertrain;711968 wrote:I have a fundamental problem with ever helping a nation that launched a sneak attack on us and tortured thousands of our POW's. You can say it was 65 years ago but those people who suffered under the japanese have to be remembered and accounted for by someone.

It is stuff like this that makes me fear for the survival of humanity....if we can never put the past and its injustices behind us.

From the Japanese perspective , what they did at Pearl Harbor was paid back many times over with the detonation of atomic bombs over the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The death toll of those attacks on civilian population is conservately estimated at 250,000, with an unknown number of other casualties and unquantifiable human suffering.

I bring this up, not to say that the U.S. should feel guilty, but that "war is war". To hold onto such after the cessation of hostilities without forgiveness or reconcilliation can only perpetuate injustice.

I plan to give at least a $100, or more. A Japanese owned Asian firm employs my son. We know several Japanese men and women, and several Japanese American families who have families over there affected by the disaster. This one hits a little closer than other global catastrophes, so I hope some of you will forgive me if I don't see much humor, or appreciate the callousness or indifference displayed by some of you.

This is a catastrophe still unfolding, and of unknown repercussions.....can we try to have at least a little humanitarian compassion?.
Mar 14, 2011 8:32pm
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Mar 14, 2011 8:44 PM
Mr Miyagi will accept v-cash donations to help with the overwhelming distress that he has gone through. Thank you all in advance generous donations.
Mar 14, 2011 8:44pm
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Mar 14, 2011 9:00 PM
Pick6;711831 wrote:I've sent my prayers and thoughts.

That'll help them rebuild, for sure.
Mar 14, 2011 9:00pm
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Mar 14, 2011 9:07 PM
I am pretty much with everyone here that is saying lets help out our country first and foremost. I do like to help people but i help people in my own country first. Maybe some of the companies that went over there will now come back to america. Maybe this is just one big plot by obama to get jobs back in the states. hmmmm just a thought.
Mar 14, 2011 9:07pm
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Mar 14, 2011 9:12 PM
I think we ALL have given Japan enough contribution... After WWII we rebuilt their country, FDR had a dream that America would do for itself the very things it has done for countries they have significantly destroyed by war just like Japan and Germany. Funny thing is that Germany now makes some of the world's best automobiles, is a contender in the steel industry, and a 7.5% unemployment rate nationally while we post closer to the 9% mark. Then there are our great friends the Japanese... They took our steel industry, they took over our electronics industry, more people relocate to Japan to keep their job then Japanese people come here. Remember this is a country that was also rebuilt using FDR's ideas... We should have kept those ideas for use in America instead of giving other countries our help, money, jobs, and way of life. While I do feel for the Japanese people, I feel we have given them enough. Maybe we can re-open some steel mills now.
Mar 14, 2011 9:12pm