ytownfootball;708735 wrote:Because the timeline for the emails with Cisero are irrelevant, the timeline and content of the feds convos are what is relevant.

centralbucksfan;708736 wrote:Why is that so wrong? Oh wait...because it doesn't go with what YOU believe! lol I am not sure you or others realize the seriousness of a federal investigation and what a major role it "could" have played in this story.

Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

Read the e-mails.

Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

Read the e-mails.

ytownfootball;708743 wrote:Again, imo, w can't make this assumption because we don't know the context of what went on with the feds. They had a pretty high profile case they didn't want blown.

ytownfootball;708743 wrote:Again, imo, w can't make this assumption because we don't know the context of what went on with the feds. They had a pretty high profile case they didn't want blown.

Big Gain;708734 wrote:Has anyone read the e-mails?

The emails didn't mention any names, the lawyer just said players.
The only reason the lawyer e-mailed Tressel was because he was pissed that players would trade such things of Ohio State value. He didn't even know it was an NCAA violation. All the lawyer wanted was for Tressel to put the tattoo parlor off limits for players
After the 2nd e-mail Tressel asked the lawyer for some names, no names were given. This lawyer wouldn't know names unless he personally handled the memorabilia. Was the stuff on display? Was the stuff for sale? Did this lawyer get tats at the place?

Read the e-mails.

thedynasty1998;708754 wrote:Tell Yahoo, the NCAA, and Gene Smith that. They obviously disagree.



You really want to believe that the Feds told Tressel to lie to the NCAA? And let's just pretend that they did, do you not think that Gene Smith would understand and explain that to the NCAA, therefore he wouldn't be suspended. Can't believe I have to explain this simple logic to you.



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dat dude;708744 wrote:smh

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jordo212000;708752 wrote:This is a message board ytown. People are going to speculate because there a lot of blanks to fill in and right now Gene Smith and Tress are pleading the 5th. I need to go freshen up on MLA and APA again, because apparently you need to cite your sources on here now haha

thedynasty1998;708758 wrote:High profile? Does it just sound better to say that? Some small time local drug dealer on the west side of Columbus is hardly high profile. The Feds were not investigating any OSU student athletes. They thought the memorabilia was STOLEN and informed OSU about it. That's when OSU started to investigate the whole thing.

Go back and read up on the FACTS.

thedynasty1998;708758 wrote:High profile? Does it just sound better to say that? Some small time local drug dealer on the west side of Columbus is hardly high profile. The Feds were not investigating any OSU student athletes. They thought the memorabilia was STOLEN and informed OSU about it. That's when OSU started to investigate the whole thing.

Go back and read up on the FACTS.

ytownfootball;708767 wrote:Obviously pretty high profile in hindsight don't you think? Isn't the association the players had from a high profile school and the potential for blowing the lid off their case enough to convince you why they required confidentiality?

thedynasty1998;708772 wrote:No it's not. From what we know, the players weren't involved in the drugs.

So you are sticking to the theory that Tressel was forced to lie to the NCAA by the Feds?

And you are also the one that is telling people to stick to the facts?

It really can't be both ways.

sherm03;708780 wrote:I guess my biggest issue regarding this whole "federal investigation" defense is this:

The memorabilia was found in Rife's house during a raid by the federal agents (at least, according to Cicero's first email). How would Tressel coming forward about that affect the case in any way? It's not like Rife DIDN'T KNOW that his house got raided and $70,000 and all his memorabilia was taken by the agents. If they're going after someone Rife is associated with, how is Tressel reporting the violation any different from Rife telling his buddies that his house got raided?

I guess I just don't see that as a really viable defense...at least in my eyes.

centralbucksfan;708781 wrote:1. Tressel receives email in April.
2. Forwards to his lawyer
3. His laywer contacts FEDS.
4. Feds inform Tress lawyer to keep lid on situation because of ongoing investigation. Also cautioned it could put players safety in question. (thus Tress talk at presser about player safety).
5. Lawyer advices Tressel not to say anything to Smith or anyone at OSU for fear it would blow lid off investigation, and possibly put players in danger.(Tress comment about not knowing who to go to)
6. Tress continues to email to keep as close an eye on situation as possible, and to see if others are involved.
7. Investigation goes on until Dec. when Feds infor OSU of what players were doing.
8. Dec. 23, announcement of players situation and suspensions for next season.

Confidentiality comment could have been made in terms of Tressel personal lawyer, and NOT Cisero(sp?).

Again, the major question is WHY did Tressel not come clean in Dec. The above could have EASILY been the situation and Tressel hands were tied.

ytownfootball;708782 wrote:I would assume that it's standard operating procedure, regardless of who is involved. Not privy to that experience thank God.

ytownfootball;708775 wrote:Not forced to lie...don't put words in my mouth, forced to keep quiet

and I don't know either, but it's just as likely as your doom and gloom

ytownfootball;708786 wrote:My fear is that I'm right about his hands being tied (you too cbf) and that it doesn't matter and he gets the hammer anyway. I'll be really disappointed then. I'm not displeased with him now, at all there's blame to go around, and it goes directly toward Pryor, Posey et. al.

sherm03;708785 wrote:It just doesn't add up to me. I just feel like if the feds were PLANNING to raid the house, I can see Tressel having to keep quiet to keep from blowing the lid on the raid. But after the house is raided, the evidence is done, and the subject is clearly tipped off that the feds are on to them. So Tressel coming forward with the information wouldn't be that big of a deal to their investigation.

ytownfootball;708786 wrote:My fear is that I'm right about his hands being tied (you too cbf) and that it doesn't matter and he gets the hammer anyway. I'll be really disappointed then. I'm not displeased with him now, at all there's blame to go around, and it goes directly toward Pryor, Posey et. al.

thedynasty1998;708784 wrote:That could all be possible if Tressel had not been suspended and fined. Don't you think at this point he could say that he contacted his lawyers and they advised him to stay quiet and all would be forgiven?

ytownfootball;708789 wrote:But there are other they'd still like to get, suppliers and others...there are bigger fish to nab, so you let him run awhile and see what he kicks up. In the meantime, get the college boys out of the way.