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Mar 7, 2011 9:15 PM
centralbucksfan;702505 wrote:Tempo? OSU can go both ways, and have on numerous occasions. Thats why they are tough to match up with. And again, this time of year, games are won and lost in the half court.

Tell that to the 05 and 09 Championship teams...who happen to be the team we are talked about coached by the guy whose offense is the "end of the break"...Fast break into 2 wings and a post with a PG pushing and the other post trailing. I also wouldnt say Kansas or Memphis played much half-court in their runs to the title game, or in the title game.

UNC is tough for OSU. OSU could win, but they are a tough match-up. Who guards Henson? Whoever Diebler is on will be able to go around him. Dont forget it is the tournament, and a guy like Craft could easily pick up cheap fouls on Kendall Marshall. UNC was a bad team a month ago with Drew, they are a top 10 team, easily with Marshal going from 10 min to 35 min a game, if not top 5.

On the flip side, UNC would have trouble as well. Zeller may be on of the best post defenders in the country, but Sully is just too strong for him, though it woul dbe close. Zeller does have 2 inches on him. Id think Buford and Diebler would be able to have big games.
Mar 7, 2011 9:15pm
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Mar 7, 2011 9:26 PM
What did skyhoook mean about being better than Dante Jackson?
Mar 7, 2011 9:26pm
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Mar 7, 2011 9:52 PM
Ironman92;702718 wrote:What did skyhoook mean about being better than Dante Jackson?

Back in the JJ days (or maybe it was early OC days) people were claiming Jackson was the better player. It was basically an OSU/Xavier debate and it stretched back to their HS days when people argued over them. Just kind of dumb, though stats wise Jackson had a really solid year (I forget which). But there is a reason he ended up at X and JD is at OSU.
Mar 7, 2011 9:52pm
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Mar 7, 2011 10:11 PM
Laley23;702759 wrote:Back in the JJ days (or maybe it was early OC days) people were claiming Jackson was the better player. It was basically an OSU/Xavier debate and it stretched back to their HS days when people argued over them. Just kind of dumb, though stats wise Jackson had a really solid year (I forget which). But there is a reason he ended up at X and JD is at OSU.
I remember all the hoopla about Dustin Pfieffer when these two were mentioned.
Mar 7, 2011 10:11pm
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Mar 7, 2011 11:42 PM
centralbucksfan;702455 wrote:Your on drugs. Dielber is NOT an NBA player. He will probably go overseas and have a nice career and make some nice change. But no way, no how does have the ability to play in the NBA.

I use to think the same thing, that Diebler had no chance to play in the league, i'm starting to come around on it a bit. His overall improvement and knockdown ability may get him a look. There are plenty of specialists in the league. If Matt Caroll is still in the league after 9 years I think Diebler gets a look.
Mar 7, 2011 11:42pm
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Mar 8, 2011 12:55 AM
reclegend22;702267 wrote:This.

Don't get me wrong. I think Diebler is a remarkable long-range shooter. He has always been streaky. Even at Upper Sandusky he was more streaky than a pure shooter. I probably saw Jon play 16 times in high school, counting four times at the state tournament as well as at Fostoria as a freshman, and he never shot the way he is now. He's quickly removing the "streaky" label and simply becoming a great shooter.

But Diebler will never be half the shooter at the next level that guys like Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dale Ellis, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Rex Chapman or Allan Houston were. Or countless others. Let's just stop it.

Diebler is on a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG streak..... 32 games shooting .511 on 3-pointers
Mar 8, 2011 12:55am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:03 AM
SportsAndLady;702529 wrote:UNC is very good now with the emergence of Kendall Marshall...Roy needs a good passing PG to get his offense going, and now that he has one they are a serious threat.

Keendall Marshall probably wouldn't be as good at passing to start the NC offense with Craft in his jock.
Mar 8, 2011 1:03am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:15 AM
Big Gain wrote:Diebler is on a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG streak..... 32 games shooting .511 on 3-pointers
Haha which is why I stated that he has dropped the "streaky" label and is now just a damn great shooter.
Mar 8, 2011 1:15am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:21 AM
devil1197;702469 wrote:Diebler is playing with immense confidence and you cannot let great three point shooters get this type of focus. He is nailing everything and these shots aren't just wide open looks.

Ohio State is playing their best basketball of the year at the right time. I've said that this team is the perfect mix of players and they are showing it right now.

I talked to an old coach and asked how he'd defend Diebler the way he's shooting. He said he'd have someone cold cock him on his first shot. Three foul shots and T would be worth it.
Mar 8, 2011 1:21am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:23 AM
Big Gain;702978 wrote:Keendall Marshall probably wouldn't be as good at passing to start the NC offense with Craft in his jock.

And Northern Iowa's zone probably wouldn't give Kansas any problems..but we all know that's not how it went.

Point is, you can have the best, most complete team in the country...but one bad matchup and you'll lose. Just because OSU has the all american post player, the great shooter, the experienced senior, the first round winger, and a lock down defender doesn't mean they can't be beaten.
Mar 8, 2011 1:23am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:23 AM
Big Gain;702989 wrote:I talked to an old coach and asked how he'd defend Diebler the way he's shooting. He said he'd have someone cold cock him on his first shot. Three foul shots and T would be worth it.

Might be a good idea with how he is shooting the ball, honestly.
Mar 8, 2011 1:23am
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Mar 8, 2011 1:24 AM
Big Gain;702989 wrote:I talked to an old coach and asked how he'd defend Diebler the way he's shooting. He said he'd have someone cold cock him on his first shot. Three foul shots and T would be worth it.

Lol it's Jon Diebler..not Michael Jordan
Mar 8, 2011 1:24am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:13 AM
SportsAndLady;702994 wrote:Lol it's Jon Diebler..not Michael Jordan

LOLOLOL The name is irrelevant fool, it's what the shooter is doing to you. When he's unconscious you have to get his attention.
Mar 8, 2011 2:13am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:17 AM
SportsAndLady;702991 wrote:And Northern Iowa's zone probably wouldn't give Kansas any problems..but we all know that's not how it went.

Point is, you can have the best, most complete team in the country...but one bad matchup and you'll lose. Just because OSU has the all american post player, the great shooter, the experienced senior, the first round winger, and a lock down defender doesn't mean they can't be beaten.
No shit Einstein, I'll take the field and give you any team you want for $100. What team do you want??
Mar 8, 2011 2:17am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:19 AM
reclegend22;702986 wrote:Haha which is why I stated that he has dropped the "streaky" label and is now just a damn great shooter.

HOHO which is the specific for your generality.
Mar 8, 2011 2:19am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:27 AM
reclegend22;702267 wrote:This.

Don't get me wrong. I think Diebler is a remarkable long-range shooter. He has always been streaky. Even at Upper Sandusky he was more streaky than a pure shooter. I probably saw Jon play 16 times in high school, counting four times at the state tournament as well as at Fostoria as a freshman, and he never shot the way he is now. He's quickly removing the "streaky" label and simply becoming a great shooter.

But Diebler will never be half the shooter at the next level that guys like Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dale Ellis, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Rex Chapman or Allan Houston were. Or countless others. Let's just stop it.

this coming from the guy who probably said jj reddick was going to be one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA...
Mar 8, 2011 2:27am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:31 AM
SportsAndLady;702470 wrote:Question: Are OSU fans worried about their depth?
Not other than Sullinger needing a couple of blows. Have you seen their tongues hanging out? Matta has them as well conditioned as any team..

There are twice as many TV time outs in the Tournament.

Foul problems are more unlikely for Ohio State than any other team. Ohio State has made fewer fouls than any team in the country, by far. Matta hates fouls, he stresses not fouling in practices. Ohio State's opponents shoot fewer foul shots than any team in the country, a huge factor in their success.
Mar 8, 2011 2:31am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:45 AM
Big Gain;702978 wrote:Keendall Marshall probably wouldn't be as good at passing to start the NC offense with Craft in his jock.
I didnt see much of the game but I would imagine that Nolan Smith was guarding Marshall. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. If Smith did guard Marshall for the majority of the game, what would make you think that Craft would do better at guarding KM than NS did?
Mar 8, 2011 2:45am
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Mar 8, 2011 2:47 AM
Big Gain;703010 wrote: There are twice as many TV time outs in the Tournament.
Twice as many or twice as long? TO's every 2 minutes is going to make my remote more active than I first thought.
Mar 8, 2011 2:47am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:27 AM
But Diebler will never be half the shooter at the next level that guys like Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Dale Ellis, Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Rex Chapman or Allan Houston were. Or countless others. Let's just stop it.
Diiebler would not get embarrassed in a game of H-O-R-S-E, but he would get embarrassed in an NBA game .Diebler's handle is below average, his athleticism is below average(for an NBA player), and his on ball defense is poor.

Obviously, Diebler has worked his tail off to become the player he is and that is commendable. I would be very surprised if he was on an NBA roster next year.
Mar 8, 2011 9:27am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:29 AM
DeyDurkie5;703009 wrote:this coming from the guy who probably said jj reddick was going to be one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA...

Yeah, if only Diebler played for Duke(a school rec didn't go to)...
Mar 8, 2011 9:29am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:29 AM
Marshall is good at finding guys in the right position. He's not a scorer. I think Craft is a great defender, but I don't know if he shuts down Marshall.

Buford would be forced to guard Barnes, and I think Barnes is better than Buford.

Lighty would be forced to guard Henson, and Henson is a guy that could use his length to score over the top of Lighty.

Zeller is a tough matchup for Sullinger because he's long defensively and Sullinger has shown to struggle a little playing over the top of guys. Plus, Zeller is a really smart player and would really make Sullinger work.

I'm not saying UNC is better than OSU, but I think they have the type of team to cause OSU problems.



And yes, Kansas does as well because of their size. But honestly, UNC scares me more.
Mar 8, 2011 9:29am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:30 AM
Prescott;703094 wrote:Diiebler would not get embarrassed in a game of H-O-R-S-E, but he would get embarrassed in an NBA game .Diebler's handle is below average, his athleticism is below average(for an NBA player), and his on ball defense is poor.

Obviously, Diebler has worked his tail off to become the player he is and that is commendable. I would be very surprised if he was on an NBA roster next year.
Diebler is a good college basketball player. He's not even on the NBA's radar. That's a fact.
Mar 8, 2011 9:30am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:42 AM
thedynasty1998;703099 wrote:Diebler is a good college basketball player. He's not even on the NBA's radar. That's a fact.


http://www.nba-draft.com/Blog213.html
Mar 8, 2011 9:42am
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Mar 8, 2011 9:45 AM
Although Diebler can handle the ball well enough to run the offense at the next level, he isn't nearly athletic enough, nor a consistent enough scorer in other aspects of his game or defend well enough to be on the court for long stretches. But when he's on, it's difficult to slow down Diebler from the perimeter.
But yet, I am waiting on a turnover if Diebler has to dribble more than once.
Mar 8, 2011 9:45am