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Feb 9, 2011 2:48 PM
Two things on this topic:

Are the illegals suing, or is someone bringing the lawsuit on thir behalf? The answer to this may go a long way as to whether illegals can actually do this or not.

Mr. Barnett has been turning illegals over to the authorities since 1998. Has he ever been in any kind of trouble over the years for his actions?
Feb 9, 2011 2:48pm
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Feb 9, 2011 2:49 PM
Belly35;671755 wrote:Illegal’s have no rights …period
They are human and that gives them some sympathy not much but that about it and for rights hell no.
I'm going to disagree with that. IMHO all humans have certain rights. That does not include the right to trash this guys property or stampede through. I don't blame him for stopping them.
Belly35;671755 wrote:Rights come with Citizenship and some rights come with legal documnetation to be in this country.
No rights in a court of law, no right for social programs, no right to vote, no right for employment, no right to beg,
I agree with that pretty much. I have no idea why non citizens would ever get any benefits from any social programs.
Belly35;671755 wrote:They are illegally in this country and that means they are criminals with the potential of terrorist.
I think that is a little exaggerated. Have there ever been any Mexican terrorists?
Belly35;671755 wrote:As an America you should make it your duty and obligation to turn in and if under direct conflict with an illegal ..Hold and apprehend until proper law enforcement are present. Protect yourself, property and family at all cost and others around from the actions of the illegal’s.
Belly book of rules: We take no prisoners that don’t want to be taken.

Those fucking lawyers, law makers and liberals can take the bunch of illegals home with them for a week ..them come at tell me they have rights.

I'll trade mexicans who want to work for slackers who want to sit around on welfare any day.
Feb 9, 2011 2:49pm
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Feb 9, 2011 3:08 PM
I Wear Pants;671821 wrote:Belly, does that mean that American citizens are allowed to break the law as long as the victim is an illegal?

Clarify the term (victim) .... that you used
Why are they victims? Please explain this…

Illegally in this country and you want to identify them as victims?????
Sorry but the rules of engagement change when the potential victim is the citizens of this country and community. The victim is that dead boarder guard or policeman, raped women, dead daughter, beaten old man along with all the other criminal act this potential terrorist can create.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/08/americas-war-female-mexican-chief-police-missing-christmas/
Feb 9, 2011 3:08pm
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Feb 9, 2011 3:15 PM
FatHobbit;671915 wrote:I'm going to disagree with that. IMHO all humans have certain rights. That does not include the right to trash this guys property or stampede through. I don't blame him for stopping them.



I agree with that pretty much. I have no idea why non citizens would ever get any benefits from any social programs.



I think that is a little exaggerated. Have there ever been any Mexican terrorists?



I'll trade mexicans who want to work for slackers who want to sit around on welfare any day.


I have never mentioned the word Mexicans....terroist
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57289
Feb 9, 2011 3:15pm
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Feb 9, 2011 3:42 PM
FatHobbit;671915 wrote:I think that is a little exaggerated. Have there ever been any Mexican terrorists?
It is not exaggerated. There are many forms of terrorism and many types of people who are active in it.

Terrorist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Feb 9, 2011 3:42pm
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Feb 9, 2011 3:57 PM
I Wear Pants;671821 wrote:Belly, does that mean that American citizens are allowed to break the law as long as the victim is an illegal?

No, the citizen is still prosecuted for breaking the law. But the illegal should not be able to use a US court system to sue a citizen.
Feb 9, 2011 3:57pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:00 PM
There has to be some course of action against any one in the US if they are wronged if they are not citizens. If not, there could be no foreign trade.
How else would some one have standing in a US court if they shipped goods into the US and weren't paid because they are "foreigners".

The presumption that no one has no rights because of immigration status is ludacris. I guess you all would be OK with raping Julios wife. Why not ?she's illegal, just kill her after you shoot your wad so we don't have to pay the medical bills.

Give me a fucking break.

I say let em sue and have thier day in court, and when the cause is adjudicated, ship em the fuck back home.
Feb 9, 2011 4:00pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:03 PM
T-Bomber,

They should have human rights, I agree. Should they have the same rights as an American citizen? HELL to the NO.
Feb 9, 2011 4:03pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:08 PM
The problem with your premise is that once known to be "illegal" there would be no recourse for the person being wronged IE: Not paying the tomato picker after they worked all week. I guess since the tomato factory owner did this to the alien, It would be OK to rape his wife?
Feb 9, 2011 4:08pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:10 PM
Writerbuckeye;671585 wrote:Those photos are infuriating. Fuck this and previous administrations for not doing their fucking jobs and defending the border from this human trash.

They are not trash....they are human beings and deserve to be treated as such
Feb 9, 2011 4:10pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:28 PM
Thread Bomber;672027 wrote:The problem with your premise is that once known to be "illegal" there would be no recourse for the person being wronged IE: Not paying the tomato picker after they worked all week. I guess since the tomato factory owner did this to the alien, It would be OK to rape his wife?
I wonder if you're thinking logically or emotionally?

There IS recourse. Prevention. If they'd just stop it, there would be no reason for them to 1.) litter those trails like that 2.) work for minimum wage/under 3.) Worry about getting paid 4.) being detained, partially (don't know how long, exactly) at gunpoint until the authorities arrived 5.) get raped - and howTF did that even enter this discussion, anyway?! Extemely emotional rationalizing? Why would you resort to that kind of drama pertaining to this topic, seeing as how NOBODY brought that up previously or even allude to it?

But no, like I said, the people who are defending their private property and everything in it, including their own lives, are now being made out to be the criminals. It's been trendy to do that for years now, and the Obama Administration is at the top of the list now for doing it. It's fucking shameful.
Feb 9, 2011 4:28pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:35 PM
Ty Webb;672031 wrote:They are not trash....they are human beings and deserve to be treated as such
They are human beings, yes. Are they trashy? Yes.

How else would you describe those people? They want to come into our country so bad, and look at how they treat it as soon as they come over. Not to mention that a vast amount of those same people don't even want to become solid American citizens. They just want to come over here, make some cash, and then send it or take it back to their country. I wouldn't exactly call them upstanding people. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck ... it's a friggin' duck.
Feb 9, 2011 4:35pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:35 PM
Belly35;671937 wrote:Clarify the term (victim) .... that you used
Why are they victims? Please explain this…

Illegally in this country and you want to identify them as victims?????
Sorry but the rules of engagement change when the potential victim is the citizens of this country and community. The victim is that dead boarder guard or policeman, raped women, dead daughter, beaten old man along with all the other criminal act this potential terrorist can create.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/08/americas-war-female-mexican-chief-police-missing-christmas/
It was a hypothetical. You said they have no rights. So if this guy had locked them up in his basement for a month you'd have been fine with it. That's what I was asking. Can a US citizen commit a crime against an illegal or is it impossible in your view since they're illegal and aren't granted any rights or protections in your mind?
Feb 9, 2011 4:35pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:36 PM
Ty Webb;672031 wrote:They are not trash....they are human beings and deserve to be treated as such
They do not deserve to be treated like an American citizen and enjoy the rights we do.
Feb 9, 2011 4:36pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:39 PM
Fab4Runner;672057 wrote:They do not deserve to be treated like an American citizen and enjoy the rights we do.

Yeah. I'd be more concerned about the rights of the property owner than the rights of the illegals who are trashing it while using it as their personal pathway to wherever they're going.
Feb 9, 2011 4:39pm
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Feb 9, 2011 4:39 PM
I Wear Pants;672054 wrote:It was a hypothetical. You said they have no rights. So if this guy had locked them up in his basement for a month you'd have been fine with it. That's what I was asking. Can a US citizen commit a crime against an illegal or is it impossible in your view since they're illegal and aren't granted any rights or protections in your mind?
Not going to answer for Belly, I'll answer it from my own point of view.

What should have happened is that they should have been deported to their own country. Once back to their own home again, let them contact the consolate to take it up. They should have no right to sue, nor should any activist entity sue for them. They should be given the right to be treated humanely on their ride back to their own country.
Now, if the man broke the law, according to his state laws, then that is another matter, totally.
Feb 9, 2011 4:39pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:09 PM
CenterBHSFan;672049 wrote:
I wonder if you're thinking logically or emotionally?
yes
There IS recourse. Prevention
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Recourse is an action after an action. prevention is before hand :)

get raped - and howTF did that even enter this discussion, anyway?!
Extreme viewpoints require extremes
Extremely emotional rationalizing? Why would you resort to that kind of drama pertaining to this topic, seeing as how NOBODY brought that up previously or even allude to it?


Because I'm a dick.

But no, like I said, the people who are defending their private property and everything in it, including their own lives, are now being made out to be the criminals. It's been trendy to do that for years now, and the Obama Administration is at the top of the list now for doing it. It's fucking shameful.
I agree. It is shameful. It is also shameful that people thing that because someone chooses to enter the country illegally, that they are all trashy, terrorists and kill kittens. Damn people, this is not a one size fits all circumstance.

Whom among you would not "cross a border into Canada" to feed your family. Yes these people are "illegal" but they are ...well People

The majority of this problem are the people that exploit these "aliens" in order to get even cheaper labor. The "prevention" part of the problem would be to throw the US citizens in jail (no fines, that could be cost averaged) for hiring these people in the 1st place

If the CEO of a company had to do jail time for hiring these people, the job market would dry up.

An analogy would be a drug dealer and a drug user. If you can bust the dealer, The user would be forced to find thier drugs elsewhere.
We have technology to ferret out these deadbeats, we should use it.


Any way... I find it quite odd to be in some form af agreeance with IWP and Ty. I guess I'll go have to kill myself...
Feb 9, 2011 5:09pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:12 PM
Thread Bomber;672027 wrote:The problem with your premise is that once known to be "illegal" there would be no recourse for the person being wronged IE: Not paying the tomato picker after they worked all week. I guess since the tomato factory owner did this to the alien, It would be OK to rape his wife?
If one tomato picker, engineer, teacher, artist or doctor was in this country on a work visa or documentation to enter legally and work then it would be wrong to rape his and harm the kids.
I welcome them to this Country and enjoy the prosperity of the land, pay your taxes and spend your money here but respect my freedom and the laws of this country that providing you a family income.
Feb 9, 2011 5:12pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:20 PM
Ty Webb;672031 wrote:They are not trash....they are human beings and deserve to be treated as such

If they come into this country and destroy private property and leave this kind of mess in their wake -- they are trash.
Feb 9, 2011 5:20pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:20 PM
Belly I agree with all of this. (damn, aint that strange)

But to sugest that someone that is in an illegal action should have no rights, That's absurd. As I said before there is not a one size fits alll solution to this.



I think I'm gonna puke now....
Feb 9, 2011 5:20pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:22 PM
Belly35;672111 wrote:If one tomato picker, engineer, teacher, artist or doctor was in this country on a work visa or documentation to enter legally and work then it would be wrong to rape his and harm the kids.
I welcome them to this Country and enjoy the prosperity of the land, pay your taxes and spend your money here but respect my freedom and the laws of this country that providing you a family income.
I may be reading this wrong but it sounds to me like you have no sympathy for a person who is raped for example if they're an illegal immigrant.
Feb 9, 2011 5:22pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:24 PM
I Wear Pants;672054 wrote:It was a hypothetical. You said they have no rights. So if this guy had locked them up in his basement for a month you'd have been fine with it. That's what I was asking. Can a US citizen commit a crime against an illegal or is it impossible in your view since they're illegal and aren't granted any rights or protections in your mind?
They are not victims ...they are illegals

If the citzen locked them in the basement for a month and did not get his yard mowed and house roofed that is a crime ....for being stupid
If detaining 15 illegals required locking them in the basement until authority would come an take them a way and that takes a months .. sorry
IWP would you keep those fine victims at your house for a week?
Feb 9, 2011 5:24pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:24 PM
Again, there is no excuse for the little and vandalism and shit. That is unacceptable. But I also think that there is a manner that people need to be treated with no matter if they're legal citizens or not. To me that manner includes prosecuting those that commit crimes against them.

Now, this case doesn't look like that's exactly what happened as it was a civil case which gets a bit trickier for me to figure out which side to take when I really don't have much info on it.
Feb 9, 2011 5:24pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:27 PM
Belly35;672128 wrote:They are not victims ...they are illegals

If the citzen locked them in the basement for a month and did not get his yard mowed and house roofed that is a crime ....for being stupid
If detaining 15 illegals required locking them in the basement until authority would come an take them a way and that takes a months .. sorry
IWP would you keep those fine victims at your house for a week?
You can be an illegal immigrant and still be a victim of another crime or atrocity. I'm not saying that's what happened here but hypothetically if this dude had them in his basement for a month or something then yes, that guy would be a criminal and they would be victims. There's no arguing that. They'd still be illegals and should be dealt with the way the law says to deal with that but that doesn't mean they can't be victims of crime.
Feb 9, 2011 5:27pm
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Feb 9, 2011 5:40 PM
Fab4Runner;672057 wrote:They do not deserve to be treated like an American citizen and enjoy the rights we do.

I agree....but they should be treated like human beings
Writerbuckeye;672124 wrote:If they come into this country and destroy private property and leave this kind of mess in their wake -- they are trash.
Then every single person here in in America that steals road signs and litter are trash too
Feb 9, 2011 5:40pm