Writerbuckeye;656341 wrote:I'm wondering how many illegals would flee the country on their own if it was being decided to do a massive round up, and the deadline was nearing?
BCBulldog;656337 wrote:Dividing Congress and amending the Constitution do exactly what to fix the border problem?
While I also have no problem with deporting illegal aliens, I'm not sure I would use our history of McCarthyism as a means for justification. But like I said above, without a secure border, don't waste the effort (and money) to deport the illegals. It's like trying to bail out a sinking boat with a strainer.
ptown_trojans_1;656359 wrote:We mention securing the borders, but what does that entail?
More national guard troops? Higher fences, walls, etc.?
Specifics please.
I'm for it as well, but I know it may involve an infringement of some of our rights and involve staging active troops inside this country-which is rare. We also have to nail down rules of engagement and exact role of DHS, ICE, etc.
ptown_trojans_1;656353 wrote:Or would stay and fight it?
What would we do if illegals took to the streets in protests or used violence?
For the future it would take away justification for benefits to illegals. But, the SCOTUS would not allow the Amendment to be retroactive, therefore the law would only apply to future illegals who give birth in America. I submit that if we truly secure the border, then the Amendment would not be necessary.Writerbuckeye;656354 wrote:Well, if the amendment passes, it takes away ANY justification now used to give benefits to children of illegals who are born here (making the argument that they are citizens because they were born in America). It clarifies and defines the matter once and for all.
Part of the reason California is bankrupt is because of the hundreds of millions of dollars they spend on benefits for illegals. If those are taken away in every state, I don't see a lot of incentive for their parents to stick around.
All valid points that would have to be hashed out. Not reasons to keep us from pushing for a secure border, though.ptown_trojans_1;656359 wrote:We mention securing the borders, but what does that entail?
More national guard troops? Higher fences, walls, etc.?
Specifics please.
I'm for it as well, but I know it may involve an infringement of some of our rights and involve staging active troops inside this country-which is rare. We also have to nail down rules of engagement and exact role of DHS, ICE, etc.
...which is exactly what the States have been asking for all along.BCBulldog;656384 wrote:... I submit that if we truly secure the border, then the Amendment would not be necessary.
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How is Mexico losing population good for us? And if you want to stop the drug violence we're going to have to legalize them.Belly35;656375 wrote:Who about Illegal’s shooting Illegal’s?
The plan is: All those Illegal’s wanting to be citizens go to a border States pull security duty on the border. 10 Kills and you’re a citizen...
Win –Win situation:
Illegal’s earn citizenship, Mexico loses population, drug dealer are shot and those wanting to come to this country will go through proper channels or die.
I Wear Pants;656499 wrote:How is Mexico losing population good for us? And if you want to stop the drug violence we're going to have to legalize them.
I Wear Pants;656499 wrote:How is Mexico losing population good for us? And if you want to stop the drug violence we're going to have to legalize them.
I Wear Pants;656550 wrote:Every study I've read shows that legalizing and emphasizing prevention and treatment instead of incarceration like we do now will lower the number of people abusing drugs as well as the violence involved.
ptown_trojans_1;656232 wrote:Option 1 would destabilize and certainily lead to the fall of Mexico.
Yes, shooting people will surely curb violence...Belly35;656564 wrote:According to PT1 Send illegals back to mexico is a problem for Mexico ...so weeding out those who what to try to cross the border and get shot should be a good thing and those in our country can get citizenship. win -win
The drug dealers will be shot ... no big deal
The other part of the Mexican population will have to come over via proper channels or be shot with the drug dealers ...
I Wear Pants;656610 wrote:Yes, shooting people will surely curb violence...
The scum that we encourage with our drug policy.BCBulldog;656698 wrote:If the targets are the scum in the Mexican drug cartels, then emphatically, "YES!", it will curb violence. Those monsters deserve to die.
BCBulldog;656698 wrote:If the targets are the scum in the Mexican drug cartels, then emphatically, "YES!", it will curb violence. Those monsters deserve to die.
O-Trap;656746 wrote:The scummiest ones are not the ones desperately trying to cross the borders illegally. They're the ones who can buy a passport and visa whenever they want.
BCBulldog;656765 wrote:Good point. Whenever the subject of the Mexican drug cartels comes up, I get fired up. I know how difficult life is down there without the current reign of drug cartel terrorism. So to see what they are doing to the innocent people who are just trying to get by, just pisses me off. I just wonder how much longer before Calderon calls on allies to come in and help get his country under control.
O-Trap;656767 wrote:Problem is, I'm willing to bet he's afraid to. Those guys have a LOT of money, can go on vaca for as long as they want (thereby being out of Mexico if reinforcements come), and could make life hell for the Mexican government if they wanted to.
BCBulldog;656822 wrote:I'm not sure what the answer is, but Calderon has lost control of much of his country already. At some point, either he has to get control or we will see the government overthrown.
It's rare because we've been spoiled for centuries. Nobody dares to invade the United States of America because there will be dire consequences. Unless they can come up with a subtle, more stealth-like way of invasion.ptown_trojans_1;656359 wrote:We mention securing the borders, but what does that entail?
More national guard troops? Higher fences, walls, etc.?
Specifics please.
I'm for it as well, but I know it may involve an infringement of some of our rights and involve staging active troops inside this country-which is rare. We also have to nail down rules of engagement and exact role of DHS, ICE, etc.
The Mexican Agenda
Among the U.S. domestic issues on which the Mexican government is actively exerting influence outside of normal diplomatic channels both through its broad network of consular offices and through the new structure of overseas communities are the following:
Driver's licenses. Mexican consular officers and Mexican community activists have aggressively been lobbying state legislatures to adopt laws that allow illegal immigrants to obtain state driver's licenses. This effort has been successful in a number of states but met with a setback in 2005 when the REAL ID bill was adopted as part of the Iraq-Afghanistan Supplemental bill. This action led to Mexican President Fox's announcement on May 12, that his government would take unspecified actions to oppose the new U.S. law and his intemperate comment that "Mexican immigrants...are doing jobs that not even blacks want to do there in the United States."
Mexican Consular IDs — Matricula Consular. Shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks on the United States and the government's heightened security concerns, the Mexican government began to aggressively seek recognition of identity cards issued to Mexicans residing in the United States by local governments. Because Mexicans who are legal immigrants already have identity documents such as the 'green card' and legal nonimmigrants have documents such as a Mexican passport and U.S. visa or U.S. Border Crossing Card, the object of this ID campaign clearly was to provide an identity document to Mexicans illegally residing in the United States. The campaign was not just to issue the matricula consular to these illegal aliens, but also to get those documents accepted by local governments for law enforcement purposes and provision of services.
In-State Tuition.The network of Mexican consular officials and local support groups has also aggressively lobbied state government to adopt laws that allow Mexican and other illegal aliens who have graduated from U.S. high schools to be able to benefit from the taxpayers' support of higher education by enrolling at in-state resident tuition rates.
I Wear Pants;656118 wrote:So Paul is notable for introducing unpassable legislation so far.