Writerbuckeye;630104 wrote:Two of his favorite books (from the stuff above) are: Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto. That shows he's all over the place politically.

I've always been of the opinion that, in the large majority of cases, people who list those books, and others like them, as "favorites" are just doing so in order to act intellectually superior and the like. No one actually likes those books. Find them interesting, yes, worth reading for their historical and intellectual value, sure. But not "favorites."

CenterBHSFan;630113 wrote:Thanks for the links, osuturfman!

There is definitely something wrong and demented about this guy.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10[/video]

This video alone showcases that he's rambling about nothing, and is obviously convinced that what he's posting is profound.

:: sigh :::

Yep.

Sounds like he was/is mentally ill and just feels the government is always in the wrong no matter if they are R/D/Tea Party/whatever

ccrunner609;630150 wrote:this but that wont be what we are told.......MSNBC is already going after Palin.

I had to turn off CNN because their host (black guy, don't know his name) kept pushing the notion that this was a "wake up call" about the partisanship, and how it was the strong passions of both sides that were at fault.

All ridiculous babble based on NOTHING concrete.

It was shameful "journalism".

So the dude was calling for less "the other side is evil" and you decided to turn the channel?

The thing about this is BOTH sides of the media will spin this sad situation which will most likely end up being a single simple nut job who finally went off the cliff.

Political assassination attempts sadly enough are nothing new in this country and we as a nation are not about to implode simply because of MSNBC, Fox News, etc. C'mon folks...let's get a grip on reality.

I have very strong opinions and am passionate about alot of things political; just as I am ambivalent about certain political things. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Now whacko's will be whacko's and some of them will use politicals to be the vehicle for their machinations, obviously. But that doesn't mean that you can't be emphatically steadfast about things.

It's people with those tendencies (in history) that got this country going and have kept it going since inception. Not everything can be middle of the road or mamby pamby - else we'd probably be paying taxes to the Queen today if nobody ever got excited about anything.

Some of the most notable Founding Fathers would be called rabble rousers by some of the people on this forum. It's kinda funny.

CenterBHSFan;630208 wrote:I have very strong opinions and am passionate about alot of things political; just as I am ambivalent about certain political things. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Now whacko's will be whacko's and some of them will use politicals to be the vehicle for their machinations, obviously. But that doesn't mean that you can't be emphatically steadfast about things.

It's people with those tendencies (in history) that got this country going and have kept it going since inception. Not everything can be middle of the road or mamby pamby - else we'd probably be paying taxes to the Queen today if nobody ever got excited about anything.

Some of the most notable Founding Fathers would be called rabble rousers by some of the people on this forum. It's kinda funny.

Without a doubt.

Keith Olbermann is coming in to host a special edition of Countdown tonight.

Turns out that congresswoman was one of the 3 he was suspended for donating to last fall, so I am expecting him to unleash what promises to be one of the most hypocritical, self-righteous "Special Comments" the world has ever seen. No doubt he will be screaming about the Tea Party, Palin, Beck, and the likes trying to put this on them even though the man is clearly severely mentally ill.

IggyPride00;630246 wrote:Keith Olbermann is coming in to host a special edition of Countdown tonight.

Turns out that congresswoman was one of the 3 he was suspended for donating to last fall, so I am expecting him to unleash what promises to be one of the most hypocritical, self-righteous "Special Comments" the world has ever seen. No doubt he will be screaming about the Tea Party, Palin, Beck, and the likes trying to put this on them even though the man is clearly severely mentally ill.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords certainly thought Sarah Palin's map was relevant to the threat of violence. This is what she told MSNBC on March 25, 2010:
"...for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district, and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."

The left wing blogs dug up this quote from an interview Giffords did with Chuck Tood in March.

While clearly this was not a Palin inspired episode, they have taken this and really run with it given the comment Giffords made about the general threat of violence towards public officials and what ended up happening to her today.

I have never seen the spin machines jump into action at the kind of pace we've seen today as both the left and right are working feverishly to try and shun blame to the other side.

The sheriff at the press conference just now said that:

When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the Capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

This is not helpful and instantaneously being seized on by the left as those are code words they often associate with Conservatives/Tea Party people.

Interestingly they are looking for other suspects they think are closing in on apparently from what the sheriff said.

prayers go out to all the victims


homeland security is going to make this a excuse to add a whole bunch more bullshit, scanners are going to be all over the fucking place

Prayers to the victims and the family of the victims.

Is this not a terrorist activity? Someone trying to create fear and terror in society. I don't care what this asshole's excuse is (mental illness), he needs to fry.

Interesting that he apparently didn't act alone, authorities are saying that there is a second suspect, a while male in his 50's, but haven't seen much more than that...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/

I've never understood the "mentally ill" or "insanity" plea. If they are too damn insane or mentally ill to understand that killing someone is wrong, and commit such a crime, then they are of no benefit to this world...time to ride the lightning.

By the way, he whacked a judge...there's no way any judge out there will send him to the nuthouse - he's heading to the chair no matter who his defense can bring in to try to prove his insanity.

I Wear Pants;630177 wrote:So the dude was calling for less "the other side is evil" and you decided to turn the channel?

Seriously, you missed the point THAT bad?

No, I changed the channel because some "journalist" was LEAPING TO CONCLUSIONS that a tragic incident was linked to partisanship and people getting passionate about their views. There was absolutely NO evidence that this tragedy resulted from partisanship. None. Zero. Zip.

It was like being in a church where the preacher is telling you how awful you've been when, in fact, you haven't done a damn thing wrong.

Using this incident to try and quell the passions of people fighting (not literally) for what they believe in only results in one thing: it lets the REAL bad guys (the unstable ones) win.

It's another PC approach to solving a problem and, like most PC problem solving, it's absolutely the wrong way to go.

I'll concede to that point. You're right.

But the partisanship is getting ridiculous on both sides.

majorspark;630063 wrote:Some of you people need to calm down. Even if this were a political assassination, it does not mean this nation is in the death throws and people are going to start offing each other. Calm down and go read a history book on American history and you will find many acts of political violence throughout are history. Assassinations and attempted assassinations are a part of our history. There will all ways be nutbags that kill because of politics. Its just the depravity of men.

To make the matter even worse is those in politics that will use it to shut down their opponents speech or stir their base. This always has happened throughout our history. Likely this times like most others cooler heads prevailed and we moved on.

There have always been radicals on both sides of the political spectrum since this nations birth. Fox News, the daily kos, MSNBC, etc did not exist in the 1860's yet we found a way to so divide the nation politically, that we used violence that resulted in the deaths of over 600,000 Americans.

I could not have set it better. Pretty much wraps up exactly what I was going to post.

Just to add to what you were saying:

Bent, Charles
1847 Governor of New Mexico Territory

Brown, Derwin
2000 Sheriff-elect ofDeKalb County, Georgia

Burks, Tommy
1998 Tennessee State Senator

Cermak, Anton
1933 Mayor of Chicago

Clayton, John M.
1889 Congressman-elect from Arkansas

Davis, James E.
2003 New York City Councilman

Garfield, James A.
1881 President of the United States

Goebel, William
1900 Governor of Kentucky

Gwatney, Bill
2008 Chairman ofArkansas Democratic Party

Harrison Sr., Carter
1893 Mayor of Chicago

Hindman, Thomas C.
1868 Congressman(former) fromArkansas

Hinds, James. M
1868 Congressman fromArkansas

Holbrook, Edward Dexter
1870 Delegate (former) to the United States House of Representativesfrom Idaho Territory

Kennedy, John F.
1963 President of the United States

Kennedy, Robert F.
1968 United States Senator and leading presidential candidate from New York

King, Ed
1986 Mayor of Mount Pleasant, Iowa

Lincoln, Abraham
1865 President of the United States

Lloyd Sr., Russell G.
1980 Mayor (former) ofEvansville, Indiana

Long, Huey
1935 United States Senator fromLouisiana

Lowenstein, Allard
1980 Congressman(former) from New York

McKinley, William
1901 President of the United States

Milk, Harvey
1978 San Francisco City Supervisor

Moscone, George
1978 Mayor of San Francisco

Patterson, Albert
1954 Alabama Attorney General-elect

Rockwell, George Lincoln
1967 Fringe candidate forGovernor of Virginiaand founder of theAmerican Nazi Party

Roll, John McCarthy
2011 U.S. federal judge

Ryan, Leo
1978 Congressman fromCalifornia

Slough, John P.
1867 Chief Justice of theNew Mexico Supreme Court

Sharp, Solomon P.
1825 Kentucky Attorney General, Kentucky State Senator-elect

Steunenberg, Frank
1905 Governor (former) ofIdaho

Strang, James
1856 Michigan State Representative

Thornton, John
2010 Mayor of Washington Park, IL

Vance, Robert Smith
1989 U.S. federal judge

Wood, Jr., John H.
1979 U.S. federal judge


All of these people are assassinated US politicians who have been assassinated. The judge makes the 5th one since 2000. Incredibly tragic, but nothing new.

pinstriper;630417 wrote:I've never understood the "mentally ill" or "insanity" plea. If they are too damn insane or mentally ill to understand that killing someone is wrong, and commit such a crime, then they are of no benefit to this world...time to ride the lightning.

By the way, he whacked a judge...there's no way any judge out there will send him to the nuthouse - he's heading to the chair no matter who his defense can bring in to try to prove his insanity.

Bingo. Hate to say it, but although Judges have to be neutral in giving their opinion, no judge will be neutral to a case involved someone murdering another judge. Just not going to happen.

Sykotyk

redfalcon;630590 wrote: All of these people are assassinated US politicians who have been assassinated. The judge makes the 5th one since 2000. Incredibly tragic, but nothing new.

But were they assassinated?

I Wear Pants;630619 wrote:But were they assassinated?

Ah, I see what you did there.

IggyPride00;630092 wrote:I get the spirit of what you're saying, but a political system mired in gridlock, 14 trillion dollars of debt (with no end in site) and an unemployment rate near 10% represent a vast departure from mere social unrest.

I am not saying we are headed to armegeddan or anything, but we truly are at an unprecedented time in history all things considered because we have never been in such economic peril as a country at the same time we had a government that literally can't function anymore. Something has got to give, and as I look out on the horizon I don't see exactly what it is given how increasingly dug the split in this nation has become.

Unemployment was at 25 percent during the great depression, and we had the socialist party, and before that the bull moose party, and even as recently as the 90s the reform party. During the height of the great depression, we didn't even have a functioning congress for 14 months due to the lame duck session being so long at the time. Finally, we got so pissed about certain issues 150 years ago that seven states left the union and formed there own country and we only got them back after the most bloody conflict in us history and it lasted four years.

Things aren't perfect, they are pretty rough, but this country has been here before, we will be fine.

Everyone always thinks we are living in the worst of times. People think that the Nation has never been in a worse shape; it has, Christians think the rapture is imminent; its not.

+1

pinstriper;630417 wrote:I've never understood the "mentally ill" or "insanity" plea. If they are too damn insane or mentally ill to understand that killing someone is wrong, and commit such a crime, then they are of no benefit to this world...time to ride the lightning.

By the way, he whacked a judge...there's no way any judge out there will send him to the nuthouse - he's heading to the chair no matter who his defense can bring in to try to prove his insanity.

1. I sort of agree with you're first point. Although in my mind there's a difference between deranged and mentally ill. Thankfully, it's not my job to lawfully determine between the two!

2. Never say never!

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