Scarlet_Buckeye;608573 wrote:How in the hell can it be the kids fault here?!

se-alum;609105 wrote:It should be noted that not all SEC teams partake in oversigning. Georgia, Florida, Vandy, and I believe Tennessee do not oversign.

Writerbuckeye;609128 wrote:Funny how those that have been most successful the past several years, including two of the BCS title winners; three, if Auburn wins this year; aren't among them.

Writerbuckeye;609125 wrote:I don't believe in a win at all costs philosophy.

lhslep134;609132 wrote:Uhm Florida is among them....

Writerbuckeye;608598 wrote:If a football team tried to take a player on scholarship and switch him to some sort of other aid, I would be amazed if that's not against NCAA rules. All that's doing is stashing a kid away who was a scholarship player. In the NCAA's eyes, I'm sure they would say the kid should still count against the 85 number. It's no different than someone who runs track joining the football team. If that happens, the kids scholarship counts toward football, not track.

thedynasty1998;609139 wrote:I agree with this in principle, but it's not reality. Boosters and AD's expect coaches to win. If they don't, they lose their job. Charlie Weis graduated his players, but it wasn't good enough.

So in a way, a coach almost has to adopt a win first attitude, and if oversigning helps, then that's how it will continue to be.

It's a really simple fix, but the NCAA refuses to do it. Say that each scholarship is for four years, with certain guidelines that must be met (i.e. academic minimums, participation requirements).

Iliketurtles;609150 wrote:I didn't want to get into this debate but your last part of this quote is 100% incorrect. If you go to a college and receive a scholarship for track and then decided to play football as well and continue to run track and you will be on scholarship for track. Now the football coach could offer you a scholarship for football that would be more than the one for track and then that would count against the football program. Now if the kid is just running track and is a walk on or quits running track and plays football and the coach gives him a scholarship than yes that counts against football.

Writerbuckeye;609157 wrote:Dynasty, see my answer. The minute a track guy steps foot on a football field in a game, he becomes a football scholarship player.

thedynasty1998;609153 wrote:Can you explain this further. So a guy who runs track at Ohio State and is on a partial, if he plays football he doesn't count? But if he's on a full track scholarship he does?

Are D1 football programs only allowed to offer full rides?

Writerbuckeye;609157 wrote:Dynasty, see my answer. The minute a track guy steps foot on a football field in a game, he becomes a football scholarship player.

lhslep134;609126 wrote:For choosing to sign in a class that is oversigned, when he (I'm making a very big assumption here) probably had at least one offer from a (maybe much) lesser school.

Iliketurtles;609179 wrote:Maybe you guys are right and everything you said could be true(especially the part about football and basketball only being allowed to offer full rides Im pretty certain your right about other sports being allowed to offer partials). Also my bases is coming from someone who particiated in athletics at the D2 which I know rules regarding scholarships are different but I didn't think it would be completely different haha. If I wasnt at work I'd go look everything up Im really interested in knowing the rules about all this stuff now.

NCAA wrote:15.5.9 Multi-Sport Participants.


15.5.9.1 Football. [FBS/FCS] In football, a counter who was recruited and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who participates (practices or competes) in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted in football. A counter who was not recruited and/or offered financial aid to participate in football and who competes in football and one or more sports (including basketball) shall be counted infootball. (Revised: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)

thedynasty1998;609184 wrote:It is different at D2. D2 can offer partials across the board and combine them with academic based scholarships and need based scholarships. I found it interesting, because a D2 basketball team is smart, they could potentially have more scholarship guys that a D1.

The main difference in D2 and D1, besides scholarship count, is how they have to be used in basketball and football. There are not any partial scholarship football or basketball players.

Speedofsand;608835 wrote:SEC was highest at 103. Pretty close to the 25 per year limit. So when the Big10 has attrition (ex: Duron Carter) don't they give another scholly to the next guy? Does the Big10 avg. 4 less schollies a year on the team compared to the SEC because of attrition ? The SEC '28' rule will be a slight advantage over the Big10, but not other confs.

enigmaax;608587 wrote:Honest questions. In the snipet I saw (didn't see the whole OTL), the Miami kid said he had to go talk to someone about getting financial aid and seemed to imply that he had the option of continuing to attend Miami on scholarship, he was just no longer going to be a part of the football team. If he was promised a college education and he's going to get a college education, what is the problem in that case?

FatHobbit;609222 wrote:Can someone clear something up for me? When they oversign and "cut" these kids do they lose their scholarships or just their spots on the team?

enigmaax;608587 wrote:Honest questions. In the snipet I saw (didn't see the whole OTL), the Miami kid said he had to go talk to someone about getting financial aid and seemed to imply that he had the option of continuing to attend Miami on scholarship, he was just no longer going to be a part of the football team. If he was promised a college education and he's going to get a college education, what is the problem in that case? Also, wasn't he going into his fifth season? Does the sympathy extend to someone who doesn't complete his academic load in the normal time?

In all of the examples that are being criticized, how many of those students actually did not (or were not offered) scholarship money from a different source? I guess, from the few things I've read the kids are feeling burned about not getting to play anymore, which is a completely different topic from the promise to have college paid for.

Iliketurtles;609191 wrote:Yeah that's what I meant about being totally different is how D1 football and basketball can only offer full rides. As for your first point yeah that is pretty great for the D2 schools. I know for our cross country team for the school I attended 3 out of the top 5 guys were all on full rides with the academic/athletic scholarships they received.

writerbuckeye I'd like to apologize as it appears you were correct. Still it was a fun discussion haha.

j crazy thanks for looking it up!

Scarlet_Buckeye;609183 wrote:#Dumb