Con_Alma;580600 wrote:January 1st or immediately? They are two different times.

killer_ewok;580609 wrote:Crist got hurt vs. Michigan and missed a quarter and half of the game. When he was in the game, ND's offense did very well against Michigan. When Tommy Rees and Nate Montana went in due to his injury, they turned the ball over and couldn't do squat.

Also, who's arguing that ND is better than OSU? And if ND heads to the Champs Sports Bowl...that's not that junky of a bowl. Miami(FL) played Wisconsin in that bowl last year.

sleeper;580614 wrote:It's a sad day when ND fans think the Champs Sports Bowl is not that junky.

Only in South Bend..

karen lotz;580599 wrote:ND was a full strength for the Michigan game? Maybe for the first drive when they went down the field and scored. If you remember, Crist couldn't see out of one of his eyes after that opening scoring drive and ND turned to a true freshman QB and then Nate Montana for the rest of the first half where the offense sputtered. Rudolph came into the season hobbled by his hamstring injury and ND had a starting safety out after injuring his ankle against Purdue.

also, it would be you're good or you are good, not your.

No offense but outside of Wisconsin and well that's about it, OSU's schedule wasn't as good as 60th or whatever its ranked.

killer_ewok;580609 wrote:Crist got hurt vs. Michigan and missed a quarter and half of the game. When he was in the game, ND's offense did very well against Michigan. When Tommy Rees and Nate Montana went in due to his injury, they turned the ball over and couldn't do squat.

Also, who's arguing that ND is better than OSU? And if ND heads to the Champs Sports Bowl...that's not that junky of a bowl. Miami(FL) played Wisconsin in that bowl last year.

centralbucksfan;580627 wrote:lol, ya, ok...I am sure UM didn't haev a single player hurt either. Shit OSU lost a handful of starters on defense as the season went on at one time or another. Its football, injuries are part of the game.
On top of that, as BAD, BAD, BAD as the UM defense was and is....freaking Rudy should have QB's ND to 30+ points in that game!

centralbucksfan;580629 wrote:I never said it was a junky bowl. If I were a ND fan, based on how thise season shaped up, I'd take any bowl game. I wont' deny that.

slide22;580637 wrote:Who gives a shit? OSU would hang 50 on Notre Dame.

centralbucksfan;580627 wrote:lol, ya, ok...I am sure UM didn't haev a single player hurt either. Shit OSU lost a handful of starters on defense as the season went on at one time or another. Its football, injuries are part of the game.
On top of that, as BAD, BAD, BAD as the UM defense was and is....freaking Rudy should have QB's ND to 30+ points in that game!

killer_ewok;580622 wrote:Again, Wisconsin played in that Bowl last year vs. Miami(FL). And you've been singing Wisky's praises this year. Maybe ND can use that bowl game as a springboard for a more successful 2011 campaign. Wisconsin sure did.

vball10set;580667 wrote:the dynasty, yours is prolly the most lucid post on this thread...ND's going bowling, and they've won three games in a row--if nothing else, it's something to build on. BK's got them moving in the right direction, and, IMO, that's all you can ask of a first year coach.

karen lotz;580673 wrote:Good post and I don't think any ND fan is saying anything different.

Skyhook79;580381 wrote:Its a sad day for College Football when Notre Dame fans are calling people out because they won 7 games when given their easy schedule they should have won 10 games minimum.

sleeper;580663 wrote:Yeah except Wisconsin won the bowl game, something ND won't accomplish if they play anyone half as good as Miami. And even if ND does win, Wisconsin is 100x better than ND. If they played, no doubt in my mind Wisconsin puts up 70+ and has their 2nd string in by half.

killer_ewok;580681 wrote:LOL. You missed my point entirely. Nevermind.

And I think what dynasty said is spot on. As Karen said, not sure which of us "Domers" is arguing otherwise.

thedynasty1998;580678 wrote:I would tend to think most Notre Dame fans are more satisfied than dissatisfied. However, Notre Dame probably should have won another game, and then it's probably considered a successful season.

I just wonder how the off the field stuff factors into Kelly's "approval rating"?

I will say there is a reason to be optimistic heading into next year, as a ND fan.

dlazz;580679 wrote:sleeper probably deserved being called out because he's a douchebag, but Skyhook is 100% correct.

thedynasty1998;580656 wrote:Yea, why is OSU being compared to ND? I read most of this thread and really don't understand it. Notre Dame probably overachieved this year, given the talent on the roster and injuries. Does it make it a good year, by ND standards? No. But it's a solid year, nonetheless. Not sure why it has to be discounted.

vball10set;580694 wrote:and I'm not sure where it was stated that any "Domer" argued otherwise--my post was aimed at those non-Domers who did. I'm a Brian Kelly fan, and a ND fan as well--I think they got a winner with him

krambman;580708 wrote:You're absolutely right. This is why I said that we need to give credit where credit is due. Given the schedule they played, the injuries they suffered, the off field issues (camera man death, rape charges), and having a new coach 7-5 is pretty impressive. It isn't up to the historical standards of Notre Dame, but it is impressive given where they have been this past decade (especially during the previous several seasons under Weis).

And I'm not sure why people are comparing ND and OSU anyway. The interesting thing is that it's OSu fans that felt the need to bring it up. Notre Dame fans are well aware of the fact that they aren't as good as OSU is and that it's been that way for at least a decade. It's like a bully picking on the poor kid to make himself feel better.

centralbucksfan;580629 wrote:I never said it was a junky bowl. If I were a ND fan, based on how thise season shaped up, I'd take any bowl game. I wont' deny that.

killer_ewok;580636 wrote:Starting QB, RB, TE (All-American caliber), NG, Slot WR......

Those were all starters and key players/contributors. That's A LOT to overcome in one season under a new head coach and I think you're smart enough to realize that and maybe objective enough to admit it.