Rocket08;954000 wrote:Heck Sherm

Even Massillon got 2 out of 22

Kind of interesting that a kid from Oregon would choose to go there when there are a handful of surrounding school systems rated EXCELLENT

Rocket08;954108 wrote:I guess that went over your head

skank;954127 wrote:And I find it interesting that a guy whos school gets kids from all over Youngstown, (and western Pa.), finds it interesting that another school got a kid from elsewhere.

skank;953708 wrote:Yeah, and if you guys had worried more about actually beating Ursuline, instead of whining about getting back at them for destroying you last year, maybe you would have won THIS year.

skank;953693 wrote:How long are you and the parochial 7 gonna use this joke? Hoban in a down year, and an overrated RL team. On the other hand, someone forgot to tell St. X, St. Ed, Moeller, St Ignatius, Elder, Mooney, Ursuline, St. Johns, Newark Catholic, Benedictine, St V, etc....how level the playing field is, and that they're not supposed to win all the time. Oh, wait, I forgot, they just want it more. There may just come a time, when everyone wakes up and realizes that the titles won during this, "parochial era", are just as skewed, and just as unfair as the ones won pre 1972.

BlueJ;956400 wrote:Also Lehman Catholic is down this year, and just a few years ago (2007) Delphos St. Johns went 2-8... 2-8 is a pretty bad record for a team that supposedly recruits and plays in a public school conference. I forgot though, teams like Coldwater and Marion Local are allowed to be good every year, but if DSJ does the same thing then we are the ones breaking the rules. I know I bring up the MAC a lot, but DSJ is in the MAC so it's kind of all I am familiar with. Actually if you ask what the public schools in the MAC think almost all of them will tell you they want to keeps the playoff system the way it is, no separate playoffs, not even a multiplier.

BlueJ;956394 wrote:What I don't understand are all these so called "advantages" private schools have.

1) Voucher program- Guess what, you can attend any public school for free... advantage publics
2) Coaches- Every year in Delphos we hear rumors of Coach Schulte leaving to go to a public school because he would be paid better and get a retirement plan that only public school employees can have... advantage publics
3) Private Schools get there kids from the surrounding area- All public schools have the option of open enrollment... tie

Other Public advantages are;
1) Most Private schools have a strict dress code (I know at DSJ you have to wear a tie, a collared shirt, dress socks, and dress shoes every day)
2) Private school kids have to attend church at least once a week.
3) I know it was kind of already mentioned but you have to pay to go to school there. ( I know my parents did and I played football)

So far in this 119 page thread all I have read is how Private schools have all of these so called "advantages" but honestly the way things are it's amazing to me that any private school has any success at all. I also find it very interesting that many of the MAC powerhouse schools (Marion Local, Coldwater, St. Henry) are all Catholic communities that just don't have private schools, and have prayer in their public schools. Maybe it just has something to do with families that have religious values where the parents are involved with their kids lives. Just a thought.

BlueJ;956746 wrote:I don't think most people think that the Privates are cheaters. I think that most think we have an advantage. Hence why most posters want to see a change in the rules or just see the private schools go elsewhere. A lot of people think the Privates keep kids away to keep their numbers down, which to me doesn't make sense since that is where their income comes from.

I think the only real advantage private schools have is that some private schools cannot take in special needs students because they don't have the staff or money to handle them. As cold as it sounds I wouldn't mind seeing them adjust the rules so schools wouldn't count students who were either physically or emotionally unable to play sports in their athletic enrollment numbers.

Other than that it's just a lot of people from schools who aren't winning upset and looking for someone to blame. Look at any team that wins. Everyone hates the Yankees, Red Sox, Patriots, ect... if you're not a fan of a successful private school then you hate them... it's human nature.

Dean Wormer;956757 wrote:Sherm and Blue,

Why do you two keep arguing with the resident Catholic hater Skank. You guys make way too much sense for him to comprehend. He is stuck in a time warp of 1974. Gerry Faust must have cut him from Moeller for him to continue to bring him up some 39 years after he left the school.

1_beast;954071 wrote:Public schools don't hand out vouchers...

Thanks for playing.

BlueJ;956785 wrote:I thought this was funny. Why would a public school hand out a voucher??? It's free

BlueJ;956785 wrote:I thought this was funny. Why would a public school hand out a voucher??? It's free

skank;957487 wrote:Bluej, you speak of the voucher system compared to OE, and you make it sound like it's just so easy for a kid to transfer. If it were THAT easy, Whitmer wouldn't have been investigated this offseason. As far as vouchers themselves, I believe it's an easy way to target athletes, (maybe not so mush at the smaller schools, but definately at the mid and larger schools).

sherm03;956753 wrote:I would agree with that. MOST people think there's some sort of advantage. However, the few that think private schools cheat are a very vocal minority. And it's exhausting having to read/hear their crap constantly.

I have said before on this thread that I would not mind the OHSAA allowing schools to remove those students from their numbers for athletic purposes. However, it's a thin line. There would have to be policies in place to make sure that schools aren't using that as a loop hole. I feel like if you allow schools to not count a student, that student must be added to a list and not allowed to participate on the team. It sounds harsh. But I think some schools are so desperate that they would be willing to say that students with ADD (for example) shouldn't count towards their enrollment numbers even though those kids are fully capable of still participating in a sport.

dover2092;973282 wrote:I have avoided this thread and do not think there should be seperate playoffs. Just to comment on your post, our local public schools have had to deal with an influx of illegal immigrants' children. 30 non-English speaking students can show up in a year at our door and by law we can't turn them away. Yet another tear at the American fabric. I'm guessing private schools do not have this problem.

rmolin73;973250 wrote:Whitmer does not have open enrollment. Next!:rolleyes:

1_beast;973401 wrote:I thought...(i do not know for sure) that some kind of exception was made due to the Toledo school issues/closings/elimination of extra-curriculars????