Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

Its just not fair for smaller public schools to play teams like Ursulin . Ursulin could very well win D-1 this year and should be in the top 25 in the USA today . They play the best team in D-5 this week and it will not be close

Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

Not an accurate statement at all.

They should just go to 700 divisions, then everyone can get a trophy at the end of the year.

I am and have been opposed to separate playoffs.

Wow. I am glad someone finally brought this subject up for discussion.

No, keep it the way it is.

Thinthickbigred;563843 wrote:Everybody knows that no public school has a chance in the lower divisions against Ursulin and Delphose St Johns and the private schools dominate the upper classes most of the time as well ..

What about schools the pull from weirton, wintersville, Richmond, etc?

bases_loaded;563868 wrote:What about schools the pull from weirton, wintersville, Richmond, etc?

Those open enrollment schools should have their own playoff.

bases_loaded;563868 wrote:What about schools the pull from weirton, wintersville, Richmond, etc?

Don't forget Cadiz,Hopedale,Rayland,Yorkville,Toronto,Bloomingdale, etc?

It is past time. Change is finally coming. I hope it is separate playoffs rather than a multiplier. It seems to me that it is going to be a multiplier or perhaps a combination of the two with a big school super division that has public schools like Mentor and private schools like Iggy.

I agree Viking. A multiplier is more likely. I don't see separate playoffs happening. There would be no reason for the private schools to remain members of OHSAA and the OHSAA does not want to lose them or their revenue.

Add a multiplier and the whiners will still whine. Maybe they should also add that you have to play more than 2 Ohio schools in order to make the playoffs.

I have a serious question. If there were to be separate playoffs, would this either 1) further encourage kids to go to private schools to play in the "better" playoff system in terms of competition, or 2) feel more comfortable playing in their local public schools since they have a better chance in the playoffs?

Also, if there is a separate playoff system, could that have any implications of those private schools possibly leaving the OHSAA and doing their own thing? I'm not sure how it works but remember reading something about it a long time ago.

I say the multiplier is the best way to go. The private schools who can get more "desired" athletes per capita vs public schools will be in a more appropriate division, but everyone still plays each other to see who's the best, in the end.

thePITman;563920 wrote:,...
Also, if there is a separate playoff system, could that have any implications of those private schools possibly leaving the OHSAA and doing their own thing? I'm not sure how it works but remember reading something about it a long time ago.

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I think it could. Why would the private schools stay and play under OHSAA rules? Why wouldn't they create their own governing body and keep their playoff revenue?

thePITman;563920 wrote:Also, if there is a separate playoff system, could that have any implications of those private schools possibly leaving the OHSAA and doing their own thing? I'm not sure how it works but remember reading something about it a long time ago.

Yes, the private schools would bolt from the OHSAA. You think the whiners complain now about recruiting?! Wait until the private schools do not have to play by the OHSAA rules and can just openly recruit any kid they want. And there is no private school that would play a public school during the regular season. And I'm sure the OHSAA would severely miss the gate that the private schools bring in for the championships.

Go ahead and put in the multiplier. That's the difference between the private schools and the fans and coaches of the teams who are always complaining. The private schools will play whoever the hell they tell them to play.

Why don't the teams that whine so much take a look at Coldwater. They weren't supposed to beat Mooney EITHER time they played them in the state championships. Rather than complaining and moaning and crying foul...they played hard and won 2 state championships.

sherm03 why don't they just schedule Coldwater or Marion Local.

Why doesn't who schedule Coldwater and Marion Local?

The small schools that are always complaining about the State Title games every year.

They definitely should.

Rather than playing teams that make them better...the whiners would rather coast through a crummy regular season and then complain come playoff time. Instead, they should be stepping up, playing better teams throughout the year like Coldwater, Marion Local, or anyone else from the MAC...so that come playoff time they are battle tested and ready to play anyone in their division.

I dont see the privates bolting from the ohsaa if a mulitplier is added. Have you been to a tournament game with a private school playing? Most of the time, public schools fans are way larger in number. If they started their own athletic association, it would quickly wither with the small gates they would have.

I argue that indeed a small number of private schools have a huge advantage. Namely the smaller schools in large urban areas. A school such as Mooney and Ursuline, stay low in enrollment by having strict entry rules and a fee to attend. They limit who comes in by these where as a public has a boundary where they have to accept whoever shows up on their doorstep. However, a multiplier would kill the small rural privates and wouldnt do anything to the large privates.

There isnt an answer that wont do as much harm as good.

redstreak one;563985 wrote:I dont see the privates bolting from the ohsaa if a mulitplier is added....

I would agree and don't think anyone has claimed that they would leave with a multiplier.

One day it will happen. I heard a guy last week ask..."I wonder how many Catholics work on the OHSAA board"? Just say'in. lol

redstreak one;563985 wrote:I dont see the privates bolting from the ohsaa if a mulitplier is added. Have you been to a tournament game with a private school playing? Most of the time, public schools fans are way larger in number. If they started their own athletic association, it would quickly wither with the small gates they would have.

The privates would not bolt if a multiplier is added. They would bolt if the OHSAA tries to separate the playoffs completely, as the OP suggested it is time to do.

redstreak one;563985 wrote:I argue that indeed a small number of private schools have a huge advantage. Namely the smaller schools in large urban areas. A school such as Mooney and Ursuline, stay low in enrollment by having strict entry rules and a fee to attend. They limit who comes in by these where as a public has a boundary where they have to accept whoever shows up on their doorstep.

The Youngstown city school system is in academic emergency. A majority of kids in that system are eligible for vouchers, and both Mooney and Ursuline have scholarships that they give out for students whose parents struggle to afford tuition, and for students who demonstrate academic excellence. I know at Mooney, there is a program in place where someone can sponsor a student and pay a portion of their tuition. And before someone says it, no...this is not something that they use to get football players to come to school. I never played a down of football in high school, but received scholarships and had an alumni sponsor me for two years.

To imply that Mooney and Ursuline limit the number of kids that come in to their school to remain in a lower division is just absurd.

redstreak one;563985 wrote:However, a multiplier would kill the small rural privates and wouldnt do anything to the large privates. There isnt an answer that wont do as much harm as good.

I agree 100% with this. If a multiplier is put in place...which again, most private school fans that I've talked to could care less about...they should probably call it the "Mooney/Ursuline" rule because that is essentially why the rule is being considered.

And when Mooney moves up to D2 and continues to do well...and Ursuline moves up to D4 and continues to do well...what do the whiners complain about next?


I think the funniest situation would be if the OHSAA puts a multiplier in place (everybody says 1.5, so I'll assume that), and Mooney and Ursuline both stay in the same division. THAT would be absolutely hilarious, IMO!

sherm03;563934 wrote: Why don't the teams that whine so much take a look at Coldwater. They weren't supposed to beat Mooney EITHER time they played them in the state championships. Rather than complaining and moaning and crying foul...they played hard and won 2 state championships.

Bingo. And Coldwater is far from the only example.

Yea, go ahead and have separate playoffs. Then go ahead and explain to your son (if you send him to a public school) how no matter how well his team does they'll never know if they're TRULY the best team because some "adults" decided that it "wasn't fair". The pussification of this country continues.