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Rocket08

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Oct 30, 2011 9:20 AM
The problem is that you're so blinded by your jealousy that you can't see how ridiculous your arguments are

For starters, I hate to break it to you, but Open Enrollment was not initiated to "level the playing field." Like most things that whiners complain about, this has nothing to do with athletics. While it certainly impacts athletics, when this system was put in place, school systems did it to raise money and fill seats due to shrinking populations. Sorry to break it to you, but in the real world of educating kids , football isn't a deciding factor.

GRAYWOLF;950044 wrote: Can you explain how one year Mooney had 9 d-1 collage players on the same team from a random population of a small town equivalent to the size of mooney.
First of all, Mooney never had nine D1 recruits, so quit making things up to support your lame argument. Secondly, the year you bring up was the year they lost to a Public School in the finals. By your thinking, the Public School must have done something wrong, because if your successful, you cheat (That's about all you've got)

And BTW, ask Coldwater if they wish there were separate playoffs. Those kids, and that community would have been robbed of that experience because under achievers like you would rather complain than compete,
GRAYWOLF;950044 wrote:I would also like to point out that Private schools can also manipulate there size they can make themselves a D-2 or D-3 or other just by limiting enrollment.
Anytime anybody makes this absolutely inane argument, they show that they have no clue

You have no clue
Oct 30, 2011 9:20am
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Con_Alma

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Oct 30, 2011 9:54 AM
GRAYWOLF;950044 wrote:you just proved my argument open enrollment was an attempt to level the playing field.....
Open enrollment emerged as a means to fill empty seats in a school whereby the fixed costs would have been incurred no matter what. By putting another rear-end in the seat the school picked up the state funding for that kid.

Open enrollment did not emerge as some athletic competition solution.
Oct 30, 2011 9:54am
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Dean Wormer

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Oct 30, 2011 10:10 AM
Con_Alma;950555 wrote:Open enrollment emerged as a means to fill empty seats in a school whereby the fixed costs would have been incurred no matter what. By putting another rear-end in the seat the school picked up the state funding for that kid.

Open enrollment did not emerge as some athletic competition solution.
No it did not. But using some twisted logic you can say that the open enrollment schools "RECRUIT" athletes. No proof just conjecture.
Oct 30, 2011 10:10am
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Con_Alma

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Oct 30, 2011 11:00 AM
Dean Wormer;950563 wrote:No it did not. But using some twisted logic you can say that the open enrollment schools "RECRUIT" athletes. No proof just conjecture.
I'm not sure what you mean by no it did not.

In the early 90s there was much discussion about the economics of public schools and the benefits and negative aspects of open enrollment. There are multiple studies and white papers regarding Ohio Open enrollment. They don't include athletic references.

I have not referenced nor alluded to recruiting athletes as it relates to open enrollment policies at all.


"...Findings based on data from open and closed district surveys, demographic information from Ohio’s Educational Management Informations System (EMIS), a funding gains/losses database developed by Dr. David Ruggles (1997), and an Ohio Legislative Office of Education Oversight report (1998) indicate the primary reason districts decided to be open was that open enrollment provided a source of additional funds. ..."

This is from a study completed by Dr. Richard A. Crepage, Youngstown State University, Department of Educational Administration, Research and Foundations, 1999.
Oct 30, 2011 11:00am
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Rocket08

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Oct 30, 2011 9:35 PM
He was agreeing with you

He's not all that smooth sometimes :rolleyes:
Oct 30, 2011 9:35pm
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Dean Wormer

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Oct 30, 2011 10:11 PM
Con_Alma;950581 wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by no it did not.

In the early 90s there was much discussion about the economics of public schools and the benefits and negative aspects of open enrollment. There are multiple studies and white papers regarding Ohio Open enrollment. They don't include athletic references.

I have not referenced nor alluded to recruiting athletes as it relates to open enrollment policies at all.


"...Findings based on data from open and closed district surveys, demographic information from Ohio’s Educational Management Informations System (EMIS), a funding gains/losses database developed by Dr. David Ruggles (1997), and an Ohio Legislative Office of Education Oversight report (1998) indicate the primary reason districts decided to be open was that open enrollment provided a source of additional funds. ..."

This is from a study completed by Dr. Richard A. Crepage, Youngstown State University, Department of Educational Administration, Research and Foundations, 1999.
Sorry. It was a little early when I typed it. Rocket is right. I agree with you 100%.
Oct 30, 2011 10:11pm
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GRAYWOLF

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Oct 31, 2011 2:16 AM
Rocket08;950544 wrote:The problem is that you're so blinded by your jealousy that you can't see how ridiculous your arguments are

For starters, I hate to break it to you, but Open Enrollment was not initiated to "level the playing field." Like most things that whiners complain about, this has nothing to do with athletics. While it certainly impacts athletics, when this system was put in place, school systems did it to raise money and fill seats due to shrinking populations. Sorry to break it to you, but in the real world of educating kids , football isn't a deciding factor.




First of all, Mooney never had nine D1 recruits, so quit making things up to support your lame argument. Secondly, the year you bring up was the year they lost to a Public School in the finals. By your thinking, the Public School must have done something wrong, because if your successful, you cheat (That's about all you've got)

And BTW, ask Coldwater if they wish there were separate playoffs. Those kids, and that community would have been robbed of that experience because under achievers like you would rather complain than compete,



Anytime anybody makes this absolutely inane argument, they show that they have no clue

You have no clue

Never said anything about cheating I'm just saying the rules are made to protect the private schools winning tradition. Also why is it anytime someone challenges the private schools concerning the issue they become clueless? Why in other states do they have 2 playoffs for the private and the public's. Are those states clueless also.
It's ok it's a hopeless situation. Until public schools just quit scheduling private schools. You do realize that is what's happening. Also when these private smaller schools schedule up they sometimes get beat. I notice Ursuline is out this year. If that happens for a couple of years kids that play football will not go to that school. If public schools stop playing you, your winning tradition will be broken.
Oct 31, 2011 2:16am
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Rocket08

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Oct 31, 2011 8:32 AM
Keep dreaming

You've made plenty of stupid and inaccurate statements on this thread and others over time.

You basically are jealous of every successful program on this side of the state.

You're basically not worth anymore time
Oct 31, 2011 8:32am
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GRAYWOLF

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Oct 31, 2011 9:01 AM
Nope not jealous, Why is it now I'm stupid? How did the private schools become so successful? First by winning, and that draws the talent plain and simple. Take the wins away and the talent will go away. Many public schools work just as hard on there programs as the privates but could never draw the talent away from the private schools because you need to win first. OHSAA has favored the private schools for so long with the rules and most public coaches let pride get in the way of the issue. Many schools are finding that they will not see the payoffs if they schedule to many private schools that have a lock on the talented players. This is why private schools are having trouble filling there schedule. OHSAA need to change the rules on the L2 divisor and out of state teams. If they are not going to set up a private only program.

You have no worries OHSAA will not change a thing but good luck filling the schedule. Now you may begin ridiculing my grammer.:)
Oct 31, 2011 9:01am
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1_beast

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Oct 31, 2011 3:57 PM
[LEFT]Posted on the Daytonnews.com website.

Most postseason wins
1. Newark Catholic 62
2. Cleveland St. Ignatius 55
3. Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 51
4. Columbus St. Francis DeSales 47
5. Steubenville 45
6. Versailles 43

Most state titles
1. Cleveland St. Ignatius 10
2. Newark Catholic 8
3. Cincinnati Moeller 7
4. Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 7
5. Cleveland Benedictine 6, St. Henry 6, Versailles 6, Delphos St. John’s 6

Interesting numbers...[/LEFT]
Oct 31, 2011 3:57pm
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Rocket08

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Oct 31, 2011 4:07 PM
Yep

Some great programs there
Oct 31, 2011 4:07pm
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1_beast

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Oct 31, 2011 4:23 PM
Sort of trendy...
Oct 31, 2011 4:23pm
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NW4.3CrazyLegs

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Oct 31, 2011 7:45 PM
The facts speak for themselves, don't they?
Oct 31, 2011 7:45pm
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rmolin73

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Oct 31, 2011 8:31 PM
So why are people up in arms about those same few schools? What is Steubenville, Versailles, and St. Henry doing to have their names mentioned?
Oct 31, 2011 8:31pm
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1_beast

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Oct 31, 2011 8:42 PM
rmolin73;952640 wrote:So why are people up in arms about those same few schools? What is Steubenville, Versailles, and St. Henry doing to have their names mentioned?
whos up in arms...just posted a stat i read....my goodness are we defensive?
Oct 31, 2011 8:42pm
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rmolin73

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Oct 31, 2011 9:35 PM
I could care less I'm a public school guy:cry:
Oct 31, 2011 9:35pm
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skank

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Oct 31, 2011 9:42 PM
Rocket08;952370 wrote:Yep

Some great programs there


This is your response to beasts numbers post?

As hard as you try to fool us....With post after post after post of STUPID comments, I know you can't be this dumb....I think you're just an excellent actor. You're horrible at spelling, but an excellent actor.
Oct 31, 2011 9:42pm
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genghis dong

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Oct 31, 2011 10:41 PM
Skank, shouldn't you be working on a Massillion 2012 thread?
Oct 31, 2011 10:41pm
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skank

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Oct 31, 2011 11:11 PM
genghis dong;952815 wrote:Skank, shouldn't you be working on a Massillion 2012 thread?


If you mean Massillon, it's in the works as we speak, I know you're excited, but just wait a few more days, it'll be here. Btw, I ALWAYS make time to point out how stupid every post from Rain Man is.
Oct 31, 2011 11:11pm
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Rocket08

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Nov 1, 2011 7:16 AM
You should be hibernating princess

For about the 40th year in a row it'll be a long, cold dark winter for you
Nov 1, 2011 7:16am
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Darkon

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Nov 1, 2011 8:10 AM
1_beast;952357 wrote:[LEFT]Posted on the Daytonnews.com website.

Most postseason wins
1. Newark Catholic 62
2. Cleveland St. Ignatius 55
3. Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 51
4. Columbus St. Francis DeSales 47
5. Steubenville 45
6. Versailles 43

Most state titles
1. Cleveland St. Ignatius 10
2. Newark Catholic 8
3. Cincinnati Moeller 7
4. Youngstown Cardinal Mooney 7
5. Cleveland Benedictine 6, St. Henry 6, Versailles 6, Delphos St. John’s 6

Interesting numbers...[/LEFT]
Could someone show how long the schools have been in existance?
A school that has been playing for 100 years compared to 50 has alot to do with these numbers.
Nov 1, 2011 8:10am
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Rocket08

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Nov 1, 2011 8:30 AM
Darkon

These are playoff victories. The playoffs started in 1972

Those numbers reflect results from 1972 on

I would imagine that all of those schools have been in existence since then
Nov 1, 2011 8:30am
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Darkon

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Nov 1, 2011 9:26 AM
Rocket08;953045 wrote:Darkon

These are playoff victories. The playoffs started in 1972

Those numbers reflect results from 1972 on

I would imagine that all of those schools have been in existence since then
Duh! on my part. Good point!
Nov 1, 2011 9:26am
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Thinthickbigred

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Nov 1, 2011 10:09 AM
Darkon;953019 wrote:Could someone show how long the schools have been in existance?
A school that has been playing for 100 years compared to 50 has alot to do with these numbers.
:confused::laugh: nice half court shot ..... air ball
Nov 1, 2011 10:09am
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genghis dong

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Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM
Someone forgot to tell Red Lion and Hoban that they had an unfair advantage over Massillon.

Made sure I spelled it right this time Skank.
Nov 1, 2011 12:19pm