Is Pryor just Steve Bellisari on Steroids?

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Oct 19, 2010 8:44 PM
thedynasty1998;523017 wrote:No he doesn't, but being a pro prospect isn't a prerequisite to being a good college QB. Pryor has improved from last year, but with that said I always wonder what the hell people see when they talk about Pryor as an NFL QB. I just don't see it, ever. That's not a knock on Pryor because I think he's a very good college QB, but his mechanics, accuracy and decision making just don't translate to the NFL.

It will be interesting, however, to see if he can adapt to a WR at the next level, because no one can question his pure athletic ability.
Maybe, maybe not. I never thought Troy Smith would make it to the NFL. And no, he hasn't played much, but he made the roster and was a backup. And I think Pryor will be better then Troy Smith before he is finished. His improvement from last year has been very good. He will only get better IMO. He has a year and half to get better as a QB.

As far as a WR, I agree with WebFire...he doesn't have that quick burst to get off the line of scrimmage or that quickness needed. At 240lbs, he is closer to a TE then a WR. He is actually too big to be able to play WR at the next level. Pryor is 6'6", 240...Moss is 6'4", 210. Quite a bit of difference. Moss doesn't have near the muscle mass that Pryor has.

And again, not sure about the Pryor ripping going on. He wasn't the reason OSU lost that game Sat. nite. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't bad either. When your defense forces 1 punt the entire game, gives up over a 10 min drive, your offense has a tough time getting the field and getting into a groove.
Oct 19, 2010 8:44pm
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Oct 20, 2010 2:40 AM
Bellisari only completed 55% of his passes. It's not close Pryor VS Bellisari.
Oct 20, 2010 2:40am
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Oct 20, 2010 9:47 AM
centralbucksfan;525489 wrote:And I think Pryor will be better then Troy Smith before he is finished. His improvement from last year has been very good. He will only get better IMO. He has a year and half to get better as a QB.


And again, not sure about the Pryor ripping going on. He wasn't the reason OSU lost that game Sat. nite. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't bad either. When your defense forces 1 punt the entire game, gives up over a 10 min drive, your offense has a tough time getting the field and getting into a groove.
He will never be the QB Troy Smith was. Troy Smith was one of the best college QB's I've EVER seen.

And no, the loss wasn't on Pryor. But when you are supposedly the front runner for the Heisman, it's okay for fans to expect a little more from you in the biggest game of the season. Not for a second did I think it was Pryor's fault, and even if he did play better they still might have lost. But Wisconsin really confused him.
Big Gain;525758 wrote:Bellisari only completed 55% of his passes. It's not close Pryor VS Bellisari.
Let's look at Pryour against his four legit games this year:
Miami: 12-27, 233 yds, 1 TD
Illinois: 9-16, 76 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int
Indiana: 24-30, 334 yards, 3 TD
Wisconsin: 14-28, 156 yards, 1 Int

So, in those 4 games he is 59-101, 58%; 199 ypg; 7 TD, 2 Int
Oct 20, 2010 9:47am
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Oct 20, 2010 10:11 AM
thedynasty1998;525846 wrote: Let's look at Pryour against his four legit games this year:
Miami: 12-27, 233 yds, 1 TD
Illinois: 9-16, 76 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int
Indiana: 24-30, 334 yards, 3 TD
Wisconsin: 14-28, 156 yards, 1 Int

So, in those 4 games he is 59-101, 58%; 199 ypg; 7 TD, 2 Int

To be fair here, I think you have to compare Bellisari's stats in big games, if that's the stat you want to look at.

I had a feeling that Bellisari was about to turn the corner at OSU before he got in trouble. I'm not sure we lose to Illinois that year if he was the starter, and if he had lead us to a victory at Michigan everyone would have loved him. (OSU fans really really wanted to love him but he always seemed to make bad plays at the wrong time.) He had a great 2nd half against South Carolina...
Oct 20, 2010 10:11am
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Oct 20, 2010 10:32 AM
thedynasty1998;525846 wrote: Let's look at Pryour against his four legit games this year:
Miami: 12-27, 233 yds, 1 TD
Illinois: 9-16, 76 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int
Indiana: 24-30, 334 yards, 3 TD
Wisconsin: 14-28, 156 yards, 1 Int

So, in those 4 games he is 59-101, 58%; 199 ypg; 7 TD, 2 Int

Exactly, and you can take Indiana out as a "legit" game, and the numbers severely drop. There is no freaking way you can even come close to saying Pryor is better or is going to be better than Troy Smith. It's just blind homerism on cbf's part, imo. Pryor has yet to show he can carry a team and win consistently against good teams - Smith did it all the time. No comparison yet at all.
Oct 20, 2010 10:32am
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Oct 20, 2010 10:43 AM
centralbucksfan;525489 wrote:And again, not sure about the Pryor ripping going on. He wasn't the reason OSU lost that game Sat. nite. He wasn't great by any means, but he wasn't bad either. When your defense forces 1 punt the entire game, gives up over a 10 min drive, your offense has a tough time getting the field and getting into a groove.

He completed 50% of his passes with 1 INT in the biggest game of the year (albeit a few drops). With the hype and expecatations around him, the criticisim is certainly warranted. Not sure what your definition of "bad" is, but 14-28 for 156 yards and a pick certainly isn't "good". 28 attempts is a healthy amount of opportunity to make a difference in the game.
Oct 20, 2010 10:43am
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Oct 20, 2010 10:49 AM
And don't think comparing Pryor to Bellisari is relevant, and that's not the reason for the stats I posted. But it is interesting when you put things in perspective.
Oct 20, 2010 10:49am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:26 AM
thedynasty1998;525846 wrote:He will never be the QB Troy Smith was. Troy Smith was one of the best college QB's I've EVER seen.

And no, the loss wasn't on Pryor. But when you are supposedly the front runner for the Heisman, it's okay for fans to expect a little more from you in the biggest game of the season. Not for a second did I think it was Pryor's fault, and even if he did play better they still might have lost. But Wisconsin really confused him.



Wow, the best? I know your young...but there have been MANY before, and MANY after that were better then Smith. Smith was good for a little over a year. At this point in their careers...Pryor is easily better then Smith was. The "light" didn't come on for Smith until about midway or more in his junior year. Pryor is a better passer currently then Smith was at same time. He already has almost as many TD as Smith had his entire junior year. And Smith had better targets to throw to, as well as a better RB(Pittman) behind him. And as said, Pryor still has a year and half to get better. He is on pace this year, to match Smith senior (Heisman) year stat wise.
Oct 20, 2010 11:26am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:29 AM
Hamp89;525871 wrote:He completed 50% of his passes with 1 INT in the biggest game of the year (albeit a few drops). With the hype and expecatations around him, the criticisim is certainly warranted. Not sure what your definition of "bad" is, but 14-28 for 156 yards and a pick certainly isn't "good". 28 attempts is a healthy amount of opportunity to make a difference in the game.

The INT was irrilevent and you know this. It was in desperation time. And there were at least 3/4 drops in that game as well. 14 to 17/18 for 28 "looks" much better then 14. Again, I am not saying he was great by any means. But he had not much help from the Oline and couldn't get on the field much as our defense couldn't get Wisky off the field. Who gives a shit about hype and expectations. Thats from fans and media. Anyone who has watched him play since his frosh year, knows he has improved tremendously and will continue to get better.
Oct 20, 2010 11:29am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:36 AM
centralbucksfan;525901 wrote:The INT was irrilevent and you know this. It was in desperation time. And there were at least 3/4 drops in that game as well. 14 to 17/18 for 28 "looks" much better then 14. Again, I am not saying he was great by any means. But he had not much help from the Oline and couldn't get on the field much as our defense couldn't get Wisky off the field. Who gives a shit about hype and expectations. Thats from fans and media. Anyone who has watched him play since his frosh year, knows he has improved tremendously and will continue to get better.

Sure, but you seem to be a fan who buys into the hype. Getting better? Hell, he had a better qb rating in '08 than '09, and the story is still the same that he lights it up when the going is easy, but seems to tank at times when they need him most. I guess I'm not seeing him "improve tremendously" like you're seeing. Hell, if anything, he was much better on his feet in '08 and '09, which helped his passing game more. I see the same qb now that I saw last year. I'm not saying he's bad by any means, in fact I think he's pretty darn good. I just don't think he's as worthy of being sucked off as much as you do.
Oct 20, 2010 11:36am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:40 AM
centralbucksfan;525898 wrote:Wow, the best? I know your young...but there have been MANY before, and MANY after that were better then Smith. Smith was good for a little over a year. At this point in their careers...Pryor is easily better then Smith was. The "light" didn't come on for Smith until about midway or more in his junior year. Pryor is a better passer currently then Smith was at same time. He already has almost as many TD as Smith had his entire junior year. And Smith had better targets to throw to, as well as a better RB(Pittman) behind him. And as said, Pryor still has a year and half to get better. He is on pace this year, to match Smith senior (Heisman) year stat wise.
I wasn't talking about Smith's career, I was talking about his senior year. I hope Pryor gets to be better than Smith, but I think it's a LONG shot.
Oct 20, 2010 11:40am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:49 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again everytime some misguided youth gets on the OC and applauds Troy Smith...he cost OSU not one but TWO NCs. If he's not an idiot for $500 Tress doesn't have to play musical QB in the TX game and we win that one. The next year he gains 20lbs during the month of Dec and screws his teammates GF and "alledgedly" makes a couple of Gs off losing the FL game. Will eventually be recognized as the worst Heisman pick in History.
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Oct 20, 2010 11:55 AM
Tiernan;525912 wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again everytime some misguided youth gets on the OC and applauds Troy Smith...he cost OSU not one but TWO NCs. If he's not an idiot for $500 Tress doesn't have to play musical QB in the TX game and we win that one. The next year he gains 20lbs during the month of Dec and screws his teammates GF and "alledgedly" makes a couple of Gs off losing the FL game. Will eventually be recognized as the worst Heisman pick in History.

Worst Heisman in history? That's just dumb.

He certainly played bad in those two games and I don't like him personally or think he was ever a good teammate, but he put the ball right where it needed to be over the course of the regular season.
Oct 20, 2010 11:55am
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Oct 20, 2010 11:56 AM
^^^False. There are plenty of bad heisman picks ummmmmm Eric crouch ring a bell!
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Oct 20, 2010 2:31 PM
thedynasty1998;525906 wrote:I wasn't talking about Smith's career, I was talking about his senior year. I hope Pryor gets to be better than Smith, but I think it's a LONG shot.

I realize you were talking about Smith senior year. And as I said...there were many before and many after who have been better. And its not really that close. And as I said, Pryor as a junior, could eclipse what Smith did as a senior. He is already on pace to do so.
In my book....Smith goes down as someone who cost OSU a championship. I was never a Smith fan from the time he got into trouble and said during tht time, OSU wouldnt' win a title with him behind center. He ended up better then I could have imagined, I'll be the first to admit that. But we all saw what happened at the end. And Smith was a big part of that end result.
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Oct 20, 2010 2:39 PM
Hamp89;525904 wrote:Sure, but you seem to be a fan who buys into the hype. Getting better? Hell, he had a better qb rating in '08 than '09, and the story is still the same that he lights it up when the going is easy, but seems to tank at times when they need him most. I guess I'm not seeing him "improve tremendously" like you're seeing. Hell, if anything, he was much better on his feet in '08 and '09, which helped his passing game more. I see the same qb now that I saw last year. I'm not saying he's bad by any means, in fact I think he's pretty darn good. I just don't think he's as worthy of being sucked off as much as you do.

You don't see the improvement? No offense, then your blind. He has already thrown for 1500yds this year, 15 TD's. Last year he only threw for 2000 on entire season. There is NO question he is more comfortable, in command of the offense, is much better at reading defenses. And its not even close.

That being said, does he need to improve? Absolutely he does, no question. I never said he was great. But there is no question, he is SO much better then previous two years.
And by no means am I or have I sucked him off. Ridiculous exaggeration. And NO, I NEVER bought into the hype. I said from DAY 1, it would take him till his junior year to develop into a QB from an athlete. And I happen to think he has done so. But still much more room for improvement, no question.
Any high recruit who goes to a big time place, gets the hype. Did Clausen live up to the hype at ND? Is Crist currently doing so? IMO, he has tanked in the big games this year as well.
QB is what it is...they get more credit then they deserve in wins, and get more criticism then they deserve in losses.
Oct 20, 2010 2:39pm
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Tiernan;525912 wrote: Will eventually be recognized as the worst Heisman pick in History.
WTF ??? :confused:
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Oct 20, 2010 3:48 PM
centralbucksfan;526075 wrote:You don't see the improvement? No offense, then your blind. He has already thrown for 1500yds this year, 15 TD's. Last year he only threw for 2000 on entire season. There is NO question he is more comfortable, in command of the offense, is much better at reading defenses. And its not even close.

That being said, does he need to improve? Absolutely he does, no question. I never said he was great. But there is no question, he is SO much better then previous two years.
And by no means am I or have I sucked him off. Ridiculous exaggeration. And NO, I NEVER bought into the hype. I said from DAY 1, it would take him till his junior year to develop into a QB from an athlete. And I happen to think he has done so. But still much more room for improvement, no question.
Any high recruit who goes to a big time place, gets the hype. Did Clausen live up to the hype at ND? Is Crist currently doing so? IMO, he has tanked in the big games this year as well.
QB is what it is...they get more credit then they deserve in wins, and get more criticism then they deserve in losses.

So much better? I'm sorry but do you not take into consideration who he has played thus far into the season? Marshall, Eastern Michigan, OU, Indiana? I hope to God he would put up huge numbers against those teams. The numbers are heavily inflated at this point of the season in relation to the competition he has faced. As someone posted earlier, the numbers against the better teams haven't been real good.

Also, not real sure what the ND qb's have to do with this thread, but the answers are no and no.
Oct 20, 2010 3:48pm
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Hamp89;526153 wrote:Also, not real sure what the ND qb's have to do with this thread, but the answers are no and no.
I'm perplexed by this as well. I would throw in that Crist wasn't the favorite to win the Heisman coming in to this season as Pryor was and hadn't started a game so his expectations were no where near where Pryor's were. While Clausen didn't live up to the hype coming into college, I'd say his junior year was pretty fucking good and blows Pryor's year out of the water as far as being a quarterback goes.
Oct 20, 2010 4:27pm
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Oct 20, 2010 4:58 PM
karen lotz;526223 wrote:I'm perplexed by this as well. I would throw in that Crist wasn't the favorite to win the Heisman coming in to this season as Pryor was and hadn't started a game so his expectations were no where near where Pryor's were. While Clausen didn't live up to the hype coming into college, I'd say his junior year was pretty fucking good and blows Pryor's year out of the water as far as being a quarterback goes.

Its all about wins and losses. Which, ND nor Clausen come close in. My point was about the hype of highly rated QB's coming to the high profile colleges. Now go away.
Oct 20, 2010 4:58pm
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Oct 20, 2010 4:59 PM
Okay, so since the QB at Notre Dame hasn't played great in big games, it's okay for the QB at Ohio State to follow suit?

That's ridiculous.
Oct 20, 2010 4:59pm
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Oct 20, 2010 5:00 PM
Hamp89;526153 wrote:So much better? I'm sorry but do you not take into consideration who he has played thus far into the season? Marshall, Eastern Michigan, OU, Indiana? I hope to God he would put up huge numbers against those teams. The numbers are heavily inflated at this point of the season in relation to the competition he has faced. As someone posted earlier, the numbers against the better teams haven't been real good.

Also, not real sure what the ND qb's have to do with this thread, but the answers are no and no.
Every good QB is going to jack up their numbers vs the patsies on their schedule. Clausen did, Tebow did, Young did, etc, etc.
So my answer is yes, he is so much better. Anyone with an ounce of football sense, who has watched Pryor from his frosh year into this year, can see the improvement. Yes, yes AND yes!
Oct 20, 2010 5:00pm
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Oct 20, 2010 5:02 PM
Hamp89;526153 wrote:So much better? I'm sorry but do you not take into consideration who he has played thus far into the season? Marshall, Eastern Michigan, OU, Indiana? I hope to God he would put up huge numbers against those teams. The numbers are heavily inflated at this point of the season in relation to the competition he has faced. As someone posted earlier, the numbers against the better teams haven't been real good.

Also, not real sure what the ND qb's have to do with this thread, but the answers are no and no.

Come on man. Every team in college football plays teams like that and puts up big numbers. If you threw out the stats that a QB accumulates playing against competition that is under .500, nobody's numbers would be particularly impressive.
Oct 20, 2010 5:02pm
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Oct 20, 2010 5:02 PM
thedynasty1998;526269 wrote:Okay, so since the QB at Notre Dame hasn't played great in big games, it's okay for the QB at Ohio State to follow suit?

That's ridiculous.

WTF are you talking about? Wow, the way you read into or twist things at times is beyond me. lol
Oct 20, 2010 5:02pm
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centralbucksfan;526272 wrote:Every good QB is going to jack up their numbers vs the patsies on their schedule. Clausen did, Tebow did, Young did, etc, etc.
So my answer is yes, he is so much better. Anyone with an ounce of football sense, who has watched Pryor from his frosh year into this year, can see the improvement. Yes, yes AND yes!

He still can't throw a 10 yard out unless the receiver is wide open. What happened on the drive with about 6 minutes to go against Wisconsin? 3 HORRIBLE throws that were so bad, Tressel had no choice but to punt. What exactly has he improved on? There was all this talk about him being such a better passer this year. He still has a horrible motion and is not accurate at all.
Oct 20, 2010 5:05pm