centralbucksfan;519861 wrote:Bo..I thought you were smarter then this. To think that stats are the determining factor in individual awards is just flat out ignorant. There is SO much more to an award like the Heisman than just stats. There are certain players who LEAD their team. Their presence and leadership lift that team to a level that others are not able to do. There is an uncoachable, inexplainable quality that many players have, that make them who they are. Terry Bradshaw for instance, threw almost as many INT's as TD's in his career. But the guy just flat out WON. His stats were squat. Yet he has what, 4 super bowl rings? Joe Montana didn't exactly light up the world stat wise...but in crunch time, not many were better. Magic Johnson didn't put up unreal stats in college or the pros. He just won. I could go on and on. Big time players, show up in big time games. They rise to the occasion, they make plays, they raise the level of their team when needed. These are NOT stat qualitiess...they are what define great players.
I am not saying Pryor has these or done these. He has on occasion..not often yet. I mean Robinson (who I would have #1), who exactly has he beaten? Finally played a good defense...throws 3 int's. I could nit pick all the top players I am sure.
I'll let the season play out before I think one person is ahead of the other. Yes, stats are part of it. But there are so many variables as others have mentioned. Pryor has played one full season. He is in a system with a fairly conservative coach. OSU under Tressel will never have the #1 stat QB in the country. Others, who throw the ball all over like Petrino...could have a different QB every few years throw up unreal stats. Texas Tech is another example of most recent. Stats can be misleading one way OR the other.
BTW, who gives a shit where a player is drafted, that has ZILCH to do with the Heisman or best college player. THere are MANY Heisman winners who didn't amount to shit in the NFL. Why that was brought up, I have no idea. And I will agree, the Heisman does'n't always go to the best player in the country. Quite often, its the best player on one of the best teams in the country. It is what it is.
I never said that the Award should only be determined using stats just that I wish they had more of an impact than what they currently do. The idea of getting drafted does have a lot to do with who the best player in the country is. I find it very hard to believe that the Heisman Winner(Best player in the country) would have 100 guys selected before him in the draft. Basically saying there is 100 better players. Now does the Heisman have to go number 1? Hell no as teams have certain needs but if there are 100 plus guys ahead of you and 5 or 6 that play the same position as you did there is no way in hell you were the legit best player in the country IMO.
I agree with you that the best player vary rarely wins the award and I find that to be a big time joke.
