bo shemmy3337;519821 wrote:All I am saying is Pryor should not be in the convo at THIS POINT. Because OSU has played only one good team and his stats are not good. All this number one team in the country talk has nothing to do with the current standings. I said that if he plays well against Wisky Iowa and Michigan then he will move up the charts. But at THIS POINT IN TIME there is no way in hell he deserves to be in the top 5.
Also, where's Michigan? What a cheap shot. I brought up Denard for the sole reason of the topic as he is currently number one in rushing. The idea of the number 1 or 2 team in the country has to produce the Heisman is a complete joke IMO. I know it is true most of the time but it is really unfair and dumb IMO. And whomever brought up troy Smith, Really? If he did not go to OSU most of the people on here would agree that he was top 5 worst Heisman winners of all time. The kid got drafted in the 5 or 6th round. There was like 7 other QB's picked before him. His stats were also horrible. 37 people had more yards then him. It not like he was this incredible duel threat either as his running yards were low as well. The only reason he won is because his team was number 1 in the polls which is complete crap IMO. Heisman should be the best football player. The best football player does not have 100 plus people chosen to be better football players in the draft along with 37 others producing better stats.
If you guys want to see another Troy Smith go right ahead and chose who ever has the best team at the end of the year.
For the record I think Pryor is way better then smith and I am in no way comparing him to Smith. I was just saying how bad of a choice he was and why it should not be just whomever is on the best team at the time.
Bo..I thought you were smarter then this. To think that stats are the determining factor in individual awards is just flat out ignorant. There is SO much more to an award like the Heisman than just stats. There are certain players who LEAD their team. Their presence and leadership lift that team to a level that others are not able to do. There is an uncoachable, inexplainable quality that many players have, that make them who they are. Terry Bradshaw for instance, threw almost as many INT's as TD's in his career. But the guy just flat out WON. His stats were squat. Yet he has what, 4 super bowl rings? Joe Montana didn't exactly light up the world stat wise...but in crunch time, not many were better. Magic Johnson didn't put up unreal stats in college or the pros. He just won. I could go on and on. Big time players, show up in big time games. They rise to the occasion, they make plays, they raise the level of their team when needed. These are NOT stat qualitiess...they are what define great players.
I am not saying Pryor has these or done these. He has on occasion..not often yet. I mean Robinson (who I would have #1), who exactly has he beaten? Finally played a good defense...throws 3 int's. I could nit pick all the top players I am sure.
I'll let the season play out before I think one person is ahead of the other. Yes, stats are part of it. But there are so many variables as others have mentioned. Pryor has played one full season. He is in a system with a fairly conservative coach. OSU under Tressel will never have the #1 stat QB in the country. Others, who throw the ball all over like Petrino...could have a different QB every few years throw up unreal stats. Texas Tech is another example of most recent. Stats can be misleading one way OR the other.
BTW, who gives a shit where a player is drafted, that has ZILCH to do with the Heisman or best college player. THere are MANY Heisman winners who didn't amount to shit in the NFL. Why that was brought up, I have no idea. And I will agree, the Heisman does'n't always go to the best player in the country. Quite often, its the best player on one of the best teams in the country. It is what it is.
