Tiernan;518111 wrote:Ringo Starr, Doug Flutie and Kirk Herbstreit...Top 3 guys in the Super Lucky Right Place at the Right Time category. All 3 made the most of the opportunity they were ultimately given, but all 3 kicked way beyond their coverage considering their natural skills.
If Herby's dad hadn't been Cooper's roomate in college Herby doesn't even play at OSU and goes to a MAC school and ends up selling insurance in Centerville, OH. Kent Graham played 9 yrs. in the NFL and started for 2...how does he play behind Herby for 3 yrs? Another example of what a buffoon Cooper was.FatHobbit;518179 wrote:Kirk makes all his money because of his looks (the chicks dig him) not anything he did at OSU.
Tiernan;518209 wrote:If Herby's dad hadn't been Cooper's roomate in college Herby doesn't even play at OSU and goes to a MAC school and ends up selling insurance in Centerville, OH. Kent Graham played 9 yrs. in the NFL and started for 2...how does he play behind Herby for 3 yrs? Another example of what a buffoon Cooper was.
Tiernan;518209 wrote:Kent Graham played 9 yrs. in the NFL and started for 2...how does he play behind Herby for 3 yrs? Another example of what a buffoon Cooper was.
bo shemmy3337;518387 wrote:There is no reason for Pryor to be in the top 5 for Heisman currently. It is not a team award and if you look at his stats, it is flat out wrong to have him in the top 5 IMO.
Pryor is #31 in the country in passing yards.
#13 in completion %
#7 in TD
#6 in passer rating
#85 in Rushing yard( I know he is pass first)
The point is he does not have a single statistic in the top 5 as a QB. There is no way he deserves to even be in the conversation at this point. That is subject to change big time with really big games coming up.
Bingo! ...and some people actually believe the guy deserves to be in the CFB - HOFFatHobbit;518324 wrote:Probably the same way Joe Germaine played behind Stanley Jackson.
Pick6;518396 wrote:True, but he hasnt played past the 3rd quarter in about half the games
Tiernan;518413 wrote:Bingo! ...and some people actually believe the guy deserves to be in the CFB - HOF
Those are pretty good #'s for a guy playing in a balanced offensive system, while playing an entire game only 1 time this season. If those #'s meant much the Heisman winner would come from teams like Hawaii or Texas Tech. I don't think he's proven to be a Heisman winner yet though. He has 2 games he has to be great in to win the Heisman(Wisky & Iowa).bo shemmy3337;518387 wrote:There is no reason for Pryor to be in the top 5 for Heisman currently. It is not a team award and if you look at his stats, it is flat out wrong to have him in the top 5 IMO.
Pryor is #31 in the country in passing yards.
#13 in completion %
#7 in TD
#6 in passer rating
#85 in Rushing yard( I know he is pass first)
The point is he does not have a single statistic in the top 5 as a QB. There is no way he deserves to even be in the conversation at this point. That is subject to change big time with really big games coming up.
cats gone wild;518055 wrote:Kirk is always full of it!!
Les Miles will be introduced as Michigan's football coach this week.
and...
"The thing that I see, is, Terrelle Pryor came in with all the attention and all the hype and all of the athletic ability, and you don't see him progressing to become a complete 'quarterback'. Knowing down and distance, knowing about the play clock, knowing what hash you're on. Being able to read defenses, being able to just grow and develop as a quarterback.
"Listen, we've watched Tate Forcier as a true freshman have a better understanding of what it means to be a quarterback than Terrelle Pryor. We've seen Matt Barkley as a true freshman have a better understanding of being a quarterback and what that means than Terrelle Pryor. So he is not advancing as a quarterback, and to me that is more alarming -- and the fact they can't find a system that fits his abilities -- is more alarming than any of the numbers coming off a bad game against Purdue.
"This is a big deal."
Lee Corso then suggested that OSU run the football to take some of the pressure off Pryor. Herbstreit answered Corso's suggestion with even more personal jabs at Pryor, and added some biting shots at the offensive line for good measure.
"They can't run the ball because they have one of the biggest underachieving offensive lines in the last ten years in college football history. And they are uninspired, uninspired consistently, so you can't run the football.
"Terrelle Pryor allegedly runs a 4.3 forty... that means you run away from defenders if you run a 4.3 forty. That's like having a 100 mile-per-hour fastball. He's playing like he runs a 5.3 forty, not a 4.3 forty. He lumbers horizontally. He doesn't get up field and run with the football... he looks shackled, he looks confused, his body language is terrible. Other than that he's playing well."
cats gone wild;518055 wrote:Kirk is always full of it!!
Les Miles will be introduced as Michigan's football coach this week.
and...
"The thing that I see, is, Terrelle Pryor came in with all the attention and all the hype and all of the athletic ability, and you don't see him progressing to become a complete 'quarterback'. Knowing down and distance, knowing about the play clock, knowing what hash you're on. Being able to read defenses, being able to just grow and develop as a quarterback.
"Listen, we've watched Tate Forcier as a true freshman have a better understanding of what it means to be a quarterback than Terrelle Pryor. We've seen Matt Barkley as a true freshman have a better understanding of being a quarterback and what that means than Terrelle Pryor. So he is not advancing as a quarterback, and to me that is more alarming -- and the fact they can't find a system that fits his abilities -- is more alarming than any of the numbers coming off a bad game against Purdue.
"This is a big deal."
Lee Corso then suggested that OSU run the football to take some of the pressure off Pryor. Herbstreit answered Corso's suggestion with even more personal jabs at Pryor, and added some biting shots at the offensive line for good measure.
"They can't run the ball because they have one of the biggest underachieving offensive lines in the last ten years in college football history. And they are uninspired, uninspired consistently, so you can't run the football.
"Terrelle Pryor allegedly runs a 4.3 forty... that means you run away from defenders if you run a 4.3 forty. That's like having a 100 mile-per-hour fastball. He's playing like he runs a 5.3 forty, not a 4.3 forty. He lumbers horizontally. He doesn't get up field and run with the football... he looks shackled, he looks confused, his body language is terrible. Other than that he's playing well."
se-alum;518508 wrote:Those are pretty good #'s for a guy playing in a balanced offensive system, while playing an entire game only 1 time this season. If those #'s meant much the Heisman winner would come from teams like Hawaii or Texas Tech. I don't think he's proven to be a Heisman winner yet though. He has 2 games he has to be great in to win the Heisman(Wisky & Iowa).
bo shemmy3337;518387 wrote:There is no reason for Pryor to be in the top 5 for Heisman currently. It is not a team award and if you look at his stats, it is flat out wrong to have him in the top 5 IMO.
Pryor is #31 in the country in passing yards.
#13 in completion %
#7 in TD
#6 in passer rating
#85 in Rushing yard( I know he is pass first)
The point is he does not have a single statistic in the top 5 as a QB. There is no way he deserves to even be in the conversation at this point. That is subject to change big time with really big games coming up.
no one is buying the crack you are sellingTy Webb;517878 wrote:LJ...you stupid fuck.....
I've stated multiple times that my brother posts under the name Blanket. Can you not read?
Out of the 30 guys ahead of Pryor in passing yards, only 2 are Heisman candidates(Mallet, Luck). Tebow was 23rd in the country in passing yards, Troy Smith was 38th in the country when they won the trophy. It's about winning and how you play in the big game. Pryor right now is on pace to have a season almost identical to Troy Smiths Heisman year. The Wisky and Iowa games will make or break Pryor's Heisman hopes. FWIW, I think Luck is the best QB, and Heisman frontrunner.bo shemmy3337;518621 wrote:You got to have better than number 31 in the country in passing yards to win the Heisman IMO. The voters look at things in the dumbest way. Kid from Oregon should not be ahead of a guy like Denard who has more yards on the ground than he does and he is a QB. He also has a lot of passing yards too. This does not mean Denard should win the Heisman but there is just no way a RB should win it this year is a QB has more yards on the ground.
bo shemmy3337;518621 wrote:You got to have better than number 31 in the country in passing yards to win the Heisman IMO. The voters look at things in the dumbest way. Kid from Oregon should not be ahead of a guy like Denard who has more yards on the ground than he does and he is a QB. He also has a lot of passing yards too. This does not mean Denard should win the Heisman but there is just no way a RB should win it this year is a QB has more yards on the ground.
bo shemmy3337;518387 wrote:There is no reason for Pryor to be in the top 5 for Heisman currently. It is not a team award and if you look at his stats, it is flat out wrong to have him in the top 5 IMO.
Pryor is #31 in the country in passing yards.
#13 in completion %
#7 in TD
#6 in passer rating
#85 in Rushing yard( I know he is pass first)
The point is he does not have a single statistic in the top 5 as a QB. There is no way he deserves to even be in the conversation at this point. That is subject to change big time with really big games coming up.
bo shemmy3337;518387 wrote:There is no reason for Pryor to be in the top 5 for Heisman currently. It is not a team award and if you look at his stats, it is flat out wrong to have him in the top 5 IMO.
Pryor is #31 in the country in passing yards.
#13 in completion %
#7 in TD
#6 in passer rating
#85 in Rushing yard( I know he is pass first)
The point is he does not have a single statistic in the top 5 as a QB. There is no way he deserves to even be in the conversation at this point. That is subject to change big time with really big games coming up.