depending on the district, the public schools can be much better than private schools

We live in a very good school district and support it any chance we can including appropriate levy votes. We also choose to drive 40 minutes one way to take our kids to a private school because it the right fit for us.

Snot.....I went to private Catholic schools my entire life. It was THE BEST decision my mother could have made for me. The education I received at these schools was outstanding. The rigorous academic expectations and challenging curriculum were unprecedented. The discipline I received is something that I will carry with me the rest of my life. The sacrifice my family made for my education was the best investment they could have made.

I actually attended both public and private. Wife attend all private in same town. We’ll be our children to public in same mid sized town.

Depends on where you live. Like St. Joe Maumee Valley St. Francis De Sales Cardinal Stritch 08 said, if you live in Toledo, try to get to private. If your in a good school district you’ll be fine.

Snot... You sending him to the one I think you are? CB?

From what I hear about what has happened to Bellefontaine (just as a public school, not athletics) I might send him to CB.

Sonofanump;430345 wrote:I actually attended both public and private. Wife attend all private in same town. We’ll be our children to public in same mid sized town.

Depends on where you live. Like St. Joe Maumee Valley St. Francis De Sales Cardinal Stritch 08 said, if you live in Toledo, try to get to private. If your in a good school district you’ll be fine.

Close.. St. Jerome-Maumee Valley-St. Francis-Stritch. I went to St. Jerome K-7, left because the place had grown stagnate. Went to Maumee Valley because I was smart, transferred to St. Francis because I was good at football. Went to Stritch because my family and friends all went there and I didn't care about "playing in the Big Ten" (much to the dismay of Cromwell and Co. haha). The education at MV and SFS was without question superior to Cardinal Stritch's.

To elaborate a bit further, I had a Harvard alumnus for my science teacher, and a Yale alumnus for my art teacher in eighth grade at Maumee Valley, and that's just off the top of my head. I just don't know any school in the Toledo area that can match it. I had several outstanding teachers at St. Francis (a shout out to Mr. Gerken and Dr. Russo is needed haha) but I think the Catholic schools prepare you for top notch Ohio universities and Maumee Valley can get you into the Ivy League schools more easily.

But to be fair if you lived in Ottawa Hills or Perrysburg it would behoove you to go there instead of like Emmanuel Baptist or Toledo Christian. So it's not a guaranteed improvement in education if you go private.

Fab4Runner;430244 wrote:I went to a public school and will be sending my kids to a public school.

This.

RelsonGracieBJJ;430160 wrote:Maybe you should have said yes. Then you could have possbily had a State title..

I had more important things to worry about, like going to whatever college I felt like and starting a career and family. Not reliving my "high school glory days" every friday night in the fall for the next 40 years because those were the best years of my life and I haven't done shit since then. UNLIKE the majority of the self-entitled rich kids around here who think because they went to a private school and that school recruited the best athletes from all over the area and won a state championship in the smallest division in the state, (real schools call it the JV league, ask around, you'll see what I mean) everything should just be handed to them...and then they find out how real life works and fall flat on their ass because mommy and daddy get sick of coming to their rescue. You must be from Newark. Let me guess, Newark Catholic?

LOL. Yeah Red Skin...and there's no rich kids that do the same thing out of public schools. Give me a break dude.

sherm03;430186 wrote:Hmmm...really? Ok, let's dissect this, then.


So your opinion is not based on personal experience...but rather the "tons" of friends that attended several private schools.


And I know a lot of people who did more with their lives and are more intelligent coming from a private school. So let's just call that a draw, shall we?


Ahhhh! These 10-12 must be the "tons of friends from several private schools." Glad you got such a large sampling of experiences from the 10 people you know from private schools.


Pause for laughter here. Healthy experience = 10 friends and your personal experience of nothing but public schools.


So technically you said that there were two groups in private high schools...jocks and emo kids. You never said there were any other cliques...and you heavily implied that the only two kids you would come across in a private school are either jocks or emos.


Here you further imply that there are more cliques and groups of kids in public schools than private...and that the kids are more "normal" at public schools.

So yes, your argument is retarded. And, like I said before, if you are a top 10% student from a public school, an outside party would look at what you typed and say, "shit, there's some dumb motherfuckers coming out of public schools. Maybe I should look twice at that private school."

Thank you for showing your arrogance, once again. Reading comprehension would benefit you a great deal. If you go back and read my original post, I said that most people that have 1, maybe two "fucked up" friends...I have about 10 or 12 that ALL came from private schools...nowhere did I say that those were ALL of my friends from private schools. I have about 35 or 40 friends that I knew from playing sports and through family and close friends that graduated from private schools. Are all of them fucked up? NO. I never said that either. I simply said that in all my friends, both from public and private schools, I have 10 or 12 that have serious issues and those 10 or 12 are ALL from private schools. If you can't understand that, I can't make it any simpler for you.

Of those 35 or 40 friends from private schools, I've talked to probably a little over half of them about their high school, and I had probably 5 tell me if they had it to do over, they would want to go back and go through their HS again/really like their school. Some of them didn't really lean either way, and roughly 10 told me they hated their HS and they wished they would have never went there. It's far from ironic that the 10-12 "fucked up" friends I've referred to earlier, are basically the same people that said that they hated their HS and wish they would have never went to a private school. I have 3 friends who suffer from diagnosed manic depression, 4 that have been to drug rehab or are in it right now, one who just filed for bankruptcy at the ripe old age of 23, one who never went to college, has never had a full time job and just sits on his parents couch and smokes all day, and one who has been in and out of jail for the last 4 years (and juvie before that). He never graduated, because his private school finally kicked him out at the end of his junior year for the felony that was pending at the time and they tried him as an adult because he was 17. I've had 2, TWO friends who have these similar problems that went to public schools, of people that I know who went to about 15 different public schools in the same are. One dude is permanently in jail, which we always knew was going to happen, and the other dude has so many mental problems he's unable to work, care for himself, and probably by now he likely struggles to perform basic daily functions by himself. Everyone of my other public school friends I've run into is either A) working a full time job B) working a full time job and starting a family C) going to school D)working at least part time and going to school D) already graduated. As of last month, 80% of my HS graduating class who went to college had already graduated from college and 10% more will graduate in the next year (over 60% of my graduating class went to college to either pursue an associates or bachelor's degree) and 25% of my class is working on something higher than a bachelor's degree. Half of my 35 or 40 private school friends went to college...12 of them have graduated with 3 more left to graduate soon. I personally went to college and had several classes with 3 kids that dropped out, and the 2 or 3 other kids who went to other schools dropped out.

My point is this. You obviously have had different experiences than I've had, so we're just going to have to agree to disagree. But I'm glad that you feel that people who have had different experiences than you are dumb motherfuckers. Too bad they didn't offer a manners course at your far superior private school. But hey, in the famous words of relsongracieblowjob, "you could win a state championship".

ernest_t_bass;430364 wrote:Snot... You sending him to the one I think you are? CB?

From what I hear about what has happened to Bellefontaine (just as a public school, not athletics) I might send him to CB.

CC in Bellefontaine, yes. The initial thought was to send him there for K only. We are looking at buying land in the WLS school district soon. We were going to build and then send him to WLS for 1-12. But like I said, now she is thinking K-8 at CC....K-12 if they get there.

Backup option is Bellefontaine City Schools. Which, yes...they've had their problems. But compared to hundreds of schools in the state....it's still a very good school.

FTR...this isn't our church. We're paying a little more for him to go there as a "non-member."

Not moving to Illinois?

So, has CC improved that much? They're good in sports? If they went K-12, then they more than likely would not have football, right?

ernest_t_bass;430568 wrote:Not moving to Illinois?

So, has CC improved that much? They're good in sports? If they went K-12, then they more than likely would not have football, right?

Nah...I would, but Michelle would never go for it.

They were always dominate in BB and gay soccer. Still are. If they went K-12, I'd imagine they would start football. I've seen the conceptual drawings for the new HS and they include a football field. If there isn't football....I'll put my foot down. He isn't going to a school without football. I'm not going to force him to play, but I want him to have the choice (that I make for him, of course).

sjmvsfscs08;430386 wrote: transferred to St. Francis because I was good at football. Went to Stritch because my family and friends all went there and I didn't care about "playing in the Big Ten" (much to the dismay of Cromwell and Co. haha).

huh... I don't remember anyone in the last ten years that transferred to Stritch from SFS that played football that Coach C was "dismayed" about--care to elaborate??

haha no, one of the coaches fed me a line that was like "you know we're looking to send guys to the big ten in a few years. we have a good crop of guys coming up you should stick around." I just looked at him and said "I don't care about playing in the Big Ten dude." Although Cromwell was pretty pissed when he found out I was leaving, pulled me into his office after our Algebra class and basically gave me a look of disbelief. I felt pretty bad, he was a great guy...but maybe SFS shouldn't let thugs into the school who threaten to kill guys haha I may have stayed. For the record ol' Carl Janke handled it worse, kicked me out of the weightroom for the last month of school!

I think Speweik is the only guy athletic enough since I've been paying attention who should've played in the big ten. Although Babuder got pretty close to walking on at Ohio State, he could've played at an Indiana in my opinion. Juuust not quarterback haha

Although one guy who did end up at Stritch that SFS missed who could've, and should be right now, played in the Big Ten is Eric McCloskey.

Everyone I've met that has gone to a private school their whole life is seriously fucked up socially and personality-wise. It's really weird and hard to explain, but it seems like they are all like three or four pegs down against everyone else.

iclfan2;430187 wrote:I can see the value of private schools if you live in a crap area. However if you live in a relatively nice town, public schools would be just as good as the private ones.

That's how I look at it. Neither one is inherently better, but in certain communities, one type of school might be better than another. I've seen private parochial schools that have nothing as far as athletics and don't seem to be much more than tiny religious outlets (in other words, unless you have no aspirations for your kids other than being hardcore god-squaders, probably worthless) and there are public schools that are drug/gang-infested shitholes. Depends on where you're at and what sort of schools of both types are in your area.

I can't speak for anyone else but here's what I've learned through my experience.

I spent K-12 in a private school. I felt that I got the best education possible and it truly prepared me for college. One thing about private schools is that they tend to yield more scholarship money for college. Now maybe that's based on reputation, but I've found it to be a fact nonetheless.

Another thing is that I had a lot of friends from a lot of different backgrounds that went to my school as well as public schools. I will say that I cannot name 1 person who has spent K-12 in private schools that is a "troublemaker". No problems with the law or anything like that. I think the schooling made the difference.

Just a couple things to keep in mind when you're making this decision. Personally I'm very thankful and fortunate that my parents made the necessary sacrifices for my education, and I'm a better person today because of it.

I'll take the kid from Catholic school over a kid from Public school in a playground fight anyday of the week.

I was private (or independent in my case) from K-12. I went to the smallest school in Ohio. I LOVED it and my friends, but it has its severe downsides. We had about 3 hours of free time a day, but the work load was ridiculous. We didnt have great social events, but you make due with the friends you have, plus I knew a ton of kids from SJJ and SFS, as well as Perrysburg and Bowsher (Toledo area) so my social life was fine. But a lot of kids at my school (Maumee Valley CDS btw) really suffered.

IF, and thats a HUGE IF you truley applied yourself at MV and tried to get the most out of your education it pays off. From my class alone (of 37 kids) we have 3 Stanford, 2 Harvard, 2 Yale, 1 MIT, 1 Carnegie-Mellon (Accepted to Stanford), and 1 Cornell. Not trying to boast, but the dividends are there for those that apply. Of course, you have your underachievers who end up at Toledo and BG (not a knock, but they could get those schools from Public just as easy, and for free). I ended up at Indiana because I couldnt stand the small school thing anymore....which is another downside.

I would say the education I received in HS was top notch and worth the money. I had a great time socially as well (again, a lot of my own doing though). I didnt have a single class in college that was harder or with a bigger work load than HS. Maumee Valleys whole goal is to teach as if you are in college with Block Scheduling and projects/papers that you work on in class for a few weeks at a time. We basically didnt have a second semester senior English because the whole class we were just given free to be free or work on our Senior Paper (30 pages with a presentation). They expected us to use the time to meet with teachers if need be.

In the end though, it really is different for everyone.

dlazz;430745 wrote:Everyone I've met that has gone to a private school their whole life is seriously fucked up socially and personality-wise. It's really weird and hard to explain, but it seems like they are all like three or four pegs down against everyone else.

This, I will agree with first hand. Although you should meet myself and my friends lol. We went to school with a lot of "freaks" though ahah

krazie45;430800 wrote:I can't speak for anyone else but here's what I've learned through my experience.

I spent K-12 in a private school. I felt that I got the best education possible and it truly prepared me for college. One thing about private schools is that they tend to yield more scholarship money for college. Now maybe that's based on reputation, but I've found it to be a fact nonetheless.

I might buy "tend" or "on average", but the devil is in the details. For example, if you compare your school with the public school between the tOSU campus and the Scioto, your school will quite likely come out 2nd best.

Laley what class were you in at Maumee Valley? I would've graduated in 2008 if I didn't transfer. I think I know what class you're talking about.

The way I see it is if you go to Maumee Valley you're either very rich, very smart, or very lucky.



and technically I think Emmanuel Christian is smaller

sjmvsfscs08;430847 wrote: I would've graduated in 2008 if I didn't transfer.

why did transferring defer your graduation?

sjmvsfscs08;430847 wrote:Laley what class were you in at Maumee Valley? I would've graduated in 2008 if I didn't transfer. I think I know what class you're talking about.

The way I see it is if you go to Maumee Valley you're either very rich, very smart, or very lucky.



and technically I think Emmanuel Christian is smaller

Graduated in 05. When we were there Emmanuel Baptist (it was Baptist back then) was bigger. I only know that because we played Whitmer in soccer who was the biggest in Ohio at the time and we were the smallest making it an interesting story line (beat them 6-0). I think EC and MV have gone back and forth, but MV has a pretty big class there now so they arent the smallest in Ohio at the moment I wouldnt think.