Automatik;420597 wrote:When contact is made and you know its a foul you sell it so the ref can't/won't miss it. Flopping is a agonizing dive with much rolling around in pain.

I Wear Pants;420632 wrote:Diving = not touched at all/no foul

Flopping = actually touched/possibly/likely a foul but just trying to sell it for the ref.

I'm okay with flopping. Not okay with diving. Didn't see many, if any, true dives today.

rock_knutne;420676 wrote:It's ALL the same! Flopping, embleshing, diving.......what ever you want to call, there's no difference it's all simulation.

Laley23;420757 wrote:You cant possibly believe that. You honestly think a dive without being touched is the same as an actual foul. Good lord, Ive heard it all now.

Swamp Fox;420766 wrote:We've been over this before but just to clarify, the game lasted 116 minutes, the score in extra time was 1-0, and I realize why I get bored. It's too long, there isn't enough scoring and I also realize that 700,000,000 people around the world watched it, but I wasn't one of them. I watched parts of three different baseball games, mowed the grass, watered some flowers, visited for a while with our daughter in law, and pet my cat. I say that if soccer is your cup of tea, then watch it. Enjoy every non-scoring moment, but for me, I guess my attention span is just too short for soccer. To me, something has to get my attention and soccer isn't something that does. I'm happy for Spain because they now have a World Cup Title, and the US still doesn't. I realize this will sound a little bit "Dan Gilbertish" but I will promise everyone that Spain will win at least one more World Cup before America claims their first one, which also reduces my interest because I like watching our folks play.

rock_knutne;420775 wrote:You guys are a bunch of hypocrits! You bitch and complain about teams like Italy and Portugal yet, when the squad you're pulling for (Spain) does it, it embelishing. Actually, I've heard it all now!

Guys getting touched is a foul? Spain rolled around all over the place today even if someone breathed on them, give me a break!

like_that;420783 wrote:Cool story dude.

Laley23;420786 wrote:Go back and re-read all my posts. I said Spain was the 3rd worst country in the world at diving. I have NEVER complained about an embellishment being blown as a foul. I was just as pissed as everyone else at all the rolling around trying to get cards, but they were all fouls. Iniesta had a dive today. The Dutch, to their credit, didnt have any. Italy had DeRossi who had a dive and a questionable dive/clip (I tend to agree with you, I think he was clipped after that youtube you showed). Portugal is really bad, but mostly cause of Ronaldo who had like 4598563478 dives in 4 games.

All I am saying is I think there is a huge difference between an all out dive and a "flop". Spain couldve played through a few of their fouls today which did piss me off, but again, soooo much better than a real dive.

THE4RINGZ;420893 wrote:I watched today's game. And it was the third soccer game I have watched in my life so my take it completely from the stand point of an uneducated observer. With that said the referee on the field sure seemed to have it in for the Dutch.

More than the lack of scoring, because I appreciate the strategy, the subjective officiating makes me dislike what I saw today.

I thought it was a hard fought match and enjoyed seeing world class athletes compete on the world's largest stage. And one could argue officials in any sport determine the outcome of a game. I see it more obvious in this sport.

You can crucify me for my thoughts, and that is fine with me. But understand my point, that needs to be corrected or beginner fans of the sport such as myself will never get on board and routinely watch the sport.

Laley23;420869 wrote:BTW Rock, I just went and was watching the Iniesta goal on Youtube. I noticed it was a lot closer on the "initial" play you were talking about. I decided to stop in just as the ball was played and he was actually even. So he wasnt offside on either pass.

rock_knutne;420914 wrote:I watched again too and I'll say that it's closer than it looked live but I still think he was offside.

Swamp Fox;420766 wrote:We've been over this before but just to clarify, the game lasted 116 minutes, the score in extra time was 1-0, and I realize why I get bored. It's too long, there isn't enough scoring and I also realize that 700,000,000 people around the world watched it, but I wasn't one of them. I watched parts of three different baseball games, mowed the grass, watered some flowers, visited for a while with our daughter in law, and pet my cat. I say that if soccer is your cup of tea, then watch it. Enjoy every non-scoring moment, but for me, I guess my attention span is just too short for soccer. To me, something has to get my attention and soccer isn't something that does. I'm happy for Spain because they now have a World Cup Title, and the US still doesn't. I realize this will sound a little bit "Dan Gilbertish" but I will promise everyone that Spain will win at least one more World Cup before America claims their first one, which also reduces my interest because I like watching our folks play.