thedynasty1998;394531 wrote:Let's see, Bosh can play with Wade in Miami or play in Cleveland possibly with Lebron. I'd take Miami 366 days a year.

Stoudemire is probably going to be Wade's running mate.

KR1245;394532 wrote:Cavs are the better organization. Wade has been upset with the Heat front office over the past couple years. You like to talk about the Cavs making "bad" moves.......well at least they are trying. The Heat have shown Dwayne NOTHING over the past couple years. Gilbert is by FAR the better owner to play for right now.

Uh give me Pat Riley any day of the week over the Cavs front office. He has experience winning championships. He knows exactly what he is doing. You say Riley has done nothing, I say he has been wise with his money. He didn't go blow precious free agent cash on Antawn Jamison. He has some nice flexibility for this free agent year.

BR1986FB;394575 wrote:Stoudemire is probably going to be Wade's running mate.

I don't know about that, supposedly (according to sources from Pat Riley) Stoudemire is Riley's 3rd or 4th choice this off-season. Bosh is 1st, Boozer 2nd, and then it's between David Lee and Stoudemire.

jordo212000;394604 wrote:Uh give me Pat Riley any day of the week over the Cavs front office. He has experience winning championships. He knows exactly what he is doing. You say Riley has done nothing, I say he has been wise with his money. He didn't go blow precious free agent cash on Antawn Jamison. He has some nice flexibility for this free agent year.

Jamison was a great move, stop being ignorant.

I guarantee you if the Cavs keep him, the new coach will use his ass properly.

KR1245;394532 wrote:Cavs are the better organization. Wade has been upset with the Heat front office over the past couple years. You like to talk about the Cavs making "bad" moves.......well at least they are trying. The Heat have shown Dwayne NOTHING over the past couple years. Gilbert is by FAR the better owner to play for right now.

You may want to stick to talking about the Cavs because your thoughts on the Heat are very wrong. Wade hasn't been upset with the front office. He's been upset because he isn't adding to his ring collection. His prime is the present and he doesn't want it to slip. But do not mistake that for being pissed at the FO. Deep down, he knows there wasn't a single thing they could have done to put together a true championship contending team. Not only that, but he knows had they even remotely tried, it would have fucked this offseason up so much Miami would be an after thought. There is a reason Wade is the ONLY, let me repeat that, ONLY max type player that has stated over and over again his loyalty to his team. But yet, he's allll pissed off at them... like that makes sense. Wade told them put some people around him and he'll never leave. Pat told him to give him some time. They'll both make good on their word. When it's all said and done this offseason, Pat will come out looking like a genius once again. As for the Cavs, yeah they tried.. and failed. And now it may forever screw them over. Trying isn't good enough. Nobody cares about that. They care about results, something they haven't delivered. One thing you have forgotten is that the Heat have shown Wade something. They've shown him they can build a championship team around him in the blink of an eye. Wade has NEVER forgotten that. That's why Pat's patience was granted from Wade. I could easily argue against Gilbert being the FAR better owner; although I think he's good... maybe has his hand too far in the cookie jar, but good nonetheless. Arison has a lot more money than Gilbert and doesn't have a problem spending it. He also doesn't have his hand in the cookie jar. He's got a HOF that has COMPLETE control over that team. Oh yeah, he's got a ring on his finger. But yeah, Gilbert is by FAR the better owner... smh.

Pat will go after LBJ first, and will wait on him for a long time because LBJ will not sign at first and he knows that. Then he'll go to Bosh first and give him a bit of time; but not forever. However, Pat won't wait around on just anybody. He'll go in a certain order and will take the first post player the says yes. Many seem to think Amare is the one that would say yes the quickest hence the favorite to sign. I think he likes Amare's talent better the Boozer, but the 3M or so difference is HUGE for the Heat. Boozer would probably be willing to take 13M, Amare probably won't. Once he gets a big post player to sign he'll probably hit up LBJ again and say we've got room for one more. It'll probably take Bosh and him alone for LBJ to say yes. But I imagine that's what his plan will look like.

hoops23;394752 wrote:Jamison was a great move, stop being ignorant.

I guarantee you if the Cavs keep him, the new coach will use his ass properly.

So far it hasn't been a good move at all. We'll see in the future whether it works out any better. The main reason it is bad is because the Cavs have little flexibility to make a move this summer for another key free agent. They are stuck with him for better or for worse.

Somebody said the Heat hadn't done anything for Wade. I would argue that when they didn't do anything, they were being smart. They weren't going to win the championship last year, so why play around and trade for a bad contract that will hamper them in the future? They didn't. Pat Riley has forgotten more about basketball than Chris Grant will ever know

jordo212000;394848 wrote:So far it hasn't been a good move at all. We'll see in the future whether it works out any better. The main reason it is bad is because the Cavs have little flexibility to make a move this summer for another key free agent. They are stuck with him for better or for worse.

Somebody said the Heat hadn't done anything for Wade. I would argue that when they didn't do anything, they were being smart. They weren't going to win the championship last year, so why play around and trade for a bad contract that will hamper them in the future? They didn't. Pat Riley has forgotten more about basketball than Chris Grant will ever know

Its been 4 years since the Heat won the title. Its not like this year is the only year that the front office decided to "play it safe" and stand pat rather than try to add another piece. I dont think that the Heat finishing around the .500 mark and being eliminated in the 1st round is because the Heat are being smart. At some point you need to try to make your team better and the Heat havent done that.

jpake1;394758 wrote:Pat will go after LBJ first, and will wait on him for a long time because LBJ will not sign at first and he knows that. Then he'll go to Bosh first and give him a bit of time; but not forever. However, Pat won't wait around on just anybody. He'll go in a certain order and will take the first post player the says yes. Many seem to think Amare is the one that would say yes the quickest hence the favorite to sign. I think he likes Amare's talent better the Boozer, but the 3M or so difference is HUGE for the Heat. Boozer would probably be willing to take 13M, Amare probably won't. Once he gets a big post player to sign he'll probably hit up LBJ again and say we've got room for one more. It'll probably take Bosh and him alone for LBJ to say yes. But I imagine that's what his plan will look like.

Why the fuck would Riley target LBJ? Of ALL of the FA's to pair with Wade, he would be the worst. Wade & Bosh? Yes. Wade & Boozer? Yes. Wade & Stoudemire or Dirk? Yes...but Wade & Lebron? Not a good fit, IMO.

KR1245;394867 wrote:Its been 4 years since the Heat won the title. Its not like this year is the only year that the front office decided to "play it safe" and stand pat rather than try to add another piece. I dont think that the Heat finishing around the .500 mark and being eliminated in the 1st round is because the Heat are being smart. At some point you need to try to make your team better and the Heat havent done that.

What do you think he should have done this past season? Trade for Jamison? Take on another huge contract?

It's been 4 years since the Heat won the title, sure. When was the last time Cleveland won one of those? What about Pat Riley's other championships before he joined the Heat? Like him or not Riley knows the recipe for winning a championship in the NBA. I think if I am choosing a front office to get me a championship, I defer to Riley. Not the Cavaliers front office, which is what you suggested (the front office who has arguably the best/2nd best player in the league and hasn't found a way to win him a championship yet). That's all I am saying

jordo212000;394881 wrote:What do you think he should have done this past season? Trade for Jamison? Take on another huge contract?

It's been 4 years since the Heat won the title, sure. When was the last time Cleveland won one of those? What about Pat Riley's other championships before he joined the Heat? Like him or not Riley knows the recipe for winning a championship in the NBA. I think if I am choosing a front office to get me a championship, I defer to Riley. Not the Cavaliers front office, which is what you suggested (the front office who has arguably the best/2nd best player in the league and hasn't found a way to win him a championship yet). That's all I am saying

I understand what you're saying. I just think you need to look a little farther down the road. I understand that the Heat werent going to win the title and saving money for FA was the right move but thats THIS season. In the time since the title the Heat should have done more in my opinion. My only point was that Gilbert and the Cavs front office have tried to do more for Lebron over the past couple years than the Heat have done for Wade. I understand that the Cavs front office hasnt been able to produce a title but I def think their attempts mean something to the players.

Litte off topic but some more Cavs news

He made a brief appearance at the Lebron appreciation day at Akron this afternoon.

LeBron makes dramatic appearance at Akron rally

By TOM WITHERS (AP) – 10 minutes ago

AKRON, Ohio — With thousands of his hometown fans on hand, LeBron James made a dramatic — and very late — appearance at "LeBron Appreciation Day."

A crowd estimated at 3,500 had already begun to depart Akron's InfCision Stadium on Saturday when James walked through a side entrance and made his way down to the playing field.

Hundreds of fans rushed back inside as James was presented with a crystal trophy, which had already been placed back inside a box before his surprise appearance. After a few words, the two-time MVP then left the stadium as quickly as he entered.

James was being honored not far from where he grew up in a city he affectionately calls home. Fans were on hand in an effort to convince the soon-to-be free agent not to leave the Cleveland Cavaliers.

BR1986FB;394871 wrote:Why the fuck would Riley target LBJ? Of ALL of the FA's to pair with Wade, he would be the worst. Wade & Bosh? Yes. Wade & Boozer? Yes. Wade & Stoudemire or Dirk? Yes...but Wade & Lebron? Not a good fit, IMO.

Because he's arguably the best player in the NBA? Were you being serious? Both are very unselfish players that are awesome on defense. You sound like you're in the "they can't play together because they dominate the ball" group. However, when they've played meaningful minutes together, they've looked damn good. They have a chemistry that comes very easy.

KR1245;394912 wrote:I understand what you're saying. I just think you need to look a little farther down the road. I understand that the Heat werent going to win the title and saving money for FA was the right move but thats THIS season. In the time since the title the Heat should have done more in my opinion. My only point was that Gilbert and the Cavs front office have tried to do more for Lebron over the past couple years than the Heat have done for Wade. I understand that the Cavs front office hasnt been able to produce a title but I def think their attempts mean something to the players.

The Heat have made plenty of moves in the past years. Traded for Marion and then Oneal; both of those trades being some of the biggest trades to happen their each respective year. Riley pulled every move to get a chance for one ring, and it worked. Everybody knew their window was very short. He got his ring and then started from scratch again. Riley is usually a step ahead of most people. He's been making moves for a few years now to set himself up for this offseason.

jpake1;395110 wrote:Because he's arguably the best player in the NBA? Were you being serious? Both are very unselfish players that are awesome on defense. You sound like you're in the "they can't play together because they dominate the ball" group. However, when they've played meaningful minutes together, they've looked damn good. They have a chemistry that comes very easy.

Yeah, I'm fucking serious. If LBJ goes to Miami is it him or Wade who is going to COMPLETELY change their game and become primarily an outside jump shooter? Wade is obviously better than Larry Hughes but the "two slasher experiment" in Cleveland failed miserably.

A strong post presence like Boozer or a strong sharpshooter like Dirk I can see.

This isn't "let's just throw two of the best players together because they are the best even though their games pretty much mirror each other" fantasy basketball.

Believe me, I'm not the only one who thinks that a Wade/LBJ "union" wouldn't be as good as pairing him with a Boozer or a Nowitzki.

I don't think a Wdae/LBJ duo would work either.

They've played meaningless minutes together in the Olymipics and the All Star game. One game is a show put on for the fans and the other is up against vastly inferior competition.

Wade & LeBron isn't happening.

BTW, Ric Bucher reported today that Cleveland has contacted Toronto about Chris Bosh.

Call me crazy but I think a team made of two top 5 players (Wade, Lebron) would work. Get them a sharp shooter and they'll be fine.

It's not crazy to think that, I just don't think it'd work. Nonetheless, it wouldn't happen (at least not with Wade and LeBron)

BR1986FB;395150 wrote:Yeah, I'm fucking serious. If LBJ goes to Miami is it him or Wade who is going to COMPLETELY change their game and become primarily an outside jump shooter? Wade is obviously better than Larry Hughes but the "two slasher experiment" in Cleveland failed miserably.

A strong post presence like Boozer or a strong sharpshooter like Dirk I can see.

This isn't "let's just throw two of the best players together because they are the best even though their games pretty much mirror each other" fantasy basketball.

Believe me, I'm not the only one who thinks that a Wade/LBJ "union" wouldn't be as good as pairing him with a Boozer or a Nowitzki.

Why would they have to completly change their game? They wouldn't. Wade WANTS to work off the ball. He's voiced his opinion many times about having to be the main handler. He looked the best on team USA coming off the BENCH and playing completely off the ball. Lol at them having to become jump shooters. THey'll both take it to the whole like they always have. They'll also hit jumpers when they feel like it. It would be really hard to double either of them because they're great passers. Did you really just say that experiment would fail because it did in Cleveland with LARRY FUCKING HUGHES? As if that is supposted to mean something when you throw in DWade? It failed because Larry SUCKED.

Wade and LeBron won't happen, Wade will get a PF along side him in Miami probably Amar'e.

I don't care what anyone says about those players being unselfish, at the end of the day you'll only see one mega superstar on each team. Yes, they may get paired with a Bosh/Amar'e/Joe Johnson but those guys are not #1 guys. They know deep down that they need another star to win a championship.

It won't happen ever, it will always be LeBron's team, Wade's team, Kobe's team, Howard's team etc. These are some of the guys that won't, even though they have said they would, play with another mega superstar.

I'd like to see Cleveland throw everything they got at Toronto to land Bosh. I think Cleveland would have to buy/trade into the 1st round and then package that pick with Andy/JJ/West/fillers/cash etc even Jamison or Williams if the Raptors send another guy back (Hedo).

hoops23;394752 wrote:Jamison was a great move, stop being ignorant.

I guarantee you if the Cavs keep him, the new coach will use his ass properly.

Jamison was a horrible move. It's beond me how you can think it was a good move in any way.

I love how people cite the 8 games or whatever in the Olympics as Lebron and Wade being able to work out. Let's see them over 82 games and the playoffs. And of course one would have to change their game. Although I do think they would have success, I don't think they are the best fit together.

devil1197;395307 wrote:Wade and LeBron won't happen, Wade will get a PF along side him in Miami probably Amar'e.

I don't care what anyone says about those players being unselfish, at the end of the day you'll only see one mega superstar on each team. Yes, they may get paired with a Bosh/Amar'e/Joe Johnson but those guys are not #1 guys. They know deep down that they need another star to win a championship.

It won't happen ever, it will always be LeBron's team, Wade's team, Kobe's team, Howard's team etc. These are some of the guys that won't, even though they have said they would, play with another mega superstar.

I'd like to see Cleveland throw everything they got at Toronto to land Bosh. I think Cleveland would have to buy/trade into the 1st round and then package that pick with Andy/JJ/West/fillers/cash etc even Jamison or Williams if the Raptors send another guy back (Hedo).

I'm not saying it will happen. I don't think you're accusing of me saying that, I'm just sayin'. Miami will probably land a PF and I'd have Amare in last. He's probably the easiest to get to, but Pat will have to get denied by the other two before he gets Amare. That's the only way they get LeBron-- if a stud PF signs first. I doubt Beasley or Haslem is enough to entice LBJ to sign.

Mega superstar... the league has about 3 of them. The only chance is LBJ/Wade; way to go out on a limb with that prediction.

I think it would work and they would win ring after ring after ring. Pick your poison.

thedynasty1998;395345 wrote:I love how people cite the 8 games or whatever in the Olympics as Lebron and Wade being able to work out. Let's see them over 82 games and the playoffs. And of course one would have to change their game. Although I do think they would have success, I don't think they are the best fit together.

I think it would work out because they're two of the top 3 players, let alone they'd have other teammates and a great organization. They're arguably 2 of the top 6 defensive players. They're some of the only guys that can really get their own shot at any time in the game. They have very high IQ's and are unselfish. Let alone, the ONLY time I've seen them team up, they work very well together. As least I have some games to bse it off of. You other guys have nothing. You've never seen them play together and not mesh and not work out. Obviously the Olympics and an NBA season differ, no shit sherlock. But I wouldn't bet against those two.

Wade's proven that he doesn't have this huge ego in a n e g a t i v e form. He won a ring on a team that wasn't his until he earned it in the finals. I still have questions on LBJ. I think he's smart enough to see the sense behind it, but I often think he's too full of himself to actually get up and go to another team. If he can ever just take that step, I think he'd do a great job of fitting it and making it work once he got there. Let's not kid ourselfs. Miami is Wade's team... but LBJ's got the world in his palm. Too much is made out of this ego stuff IMO. You don't see Rondo, Ray, or KG bitching about it not being their team. But before somebody says it... ' but wait, they aren't mega super stars, it doesn't count'.. as if they don't have egos either. They play for BOSTON, all of them. Boston doesn't play for them.

thedynasty1998;395344 wrote:Jamison was a horrible move. It's beond me how you can think it was a good move in any way.

It's beyond me how your obvious simple mind can't fathom that the move was a good one. Antawn Jamison is a very good player, one who used properly is a 20 PPG scorer.

There are only a handful of players who can do what they want at their own will, for the rest of the guys, they need to fit into a system or be worked around properly.

Mike Brown DID NOT utilize Antawn Jamison. With or without Jamison, we STILL WOULDN'T HAVE CAP SPACE.

You're argument on this fact is terrible.