teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

krazie45 wrote: Well Columbus offers certainly an ecclectic group of Pro Sports. Don't forget that 2 NFL teams, 2 MLB teams, and an NBA team are all within 2 hours. Not sure how many more cities can say that.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

Which is a bad argument. Both places are safe for where the majority of the tourism and action is. Both places have really bad spots where no ones goes.

I never said Columbus was crime free...from the beginning i've said it has less crime than Cleveland and Cincinnati, which it does.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

krazie45 wrote: Well Columbus offers certainly an ecclectic group of Pro Sports. Don't forget that 2 NFL teams, 2 MLB teams, and an NBA team are all within 2 hours. Not sure how many more cities can say that.

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

i won't disagree that there are areas of columbus that aren't nice, but this is from the 2008 fbi report on crime in america...

Cleveland - 433,452 residents/ 6,193 violent crimes
Cincinnati - 332,608 residents/ 4,204 violent crimes
Columbus - 751,887 residents/ 5,821 violent crimes

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_08_oh.html

per capita, columbus has the fewest amount of violent crime in the three major cities.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

Which is a bad argument. Both places are safe for where the majority of the tourism and action is. Both places have really bad spots where no ones goes.

I never said Columbus was crime free...from the beginning i've said it has less crime than Cleveland and Cincinnati, which it does.

Which I'm saying is a bad argument b/c both places are safe for where the major tourism and action is. Both places have bad areas where the majority of the crime is where no one goes

LJ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

i won't disagree that there are areas of columbus that aren't nice, but this is from the 2008 fbi report on crime in america...

Cleveland - 433,452 residents/ 6,193 violent crimes
Cincinnati - 332,608 residents/ 4,204 violent crimes
Columbus - 751,887 residents/ 5,821 violent crimes

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_08_oh.html

per capita, columbus has the fewest amount of violent crime in the three major cities.

We have one of the higher property crime rates in the country though.

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

i won't disagree that there are areas of columbus that aren't nice, but this is from the 2008 fbi report on crime in america...

Cleveland - 433,452 residents/ 6,193 violent crimes
Cincinnati - 332,608 residents/ 4,204 violent crimes
Columbus - 751,887 residents/ 5,821 violent crimes

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_08_oh.html

per capita, columbus has the fewest amount of violent crime in the three major cities.

We have one of the higher property crime rates in the country though.

isn't it lower tho still than Cbus or Cincy?

LJ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

LJ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

i won't disagree that there are areas of columbus that aren't nice, but this is from the 2008 fbi report on crime in america...

Cleveland - 433,452 residents/ 6,193 violent crimes
Cincinnati - 332,608 residents/ 4,204 violent crimes
Columbus - 751,887 residents/ 5,821 violent crimes

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_08_oh.html

per capita, columbus has the fewest amount of violent crime in the three major cities.

We have one of the higher property crime rates in the country though.

isn't it lower tho still than Cbus or Cincy?

no. The property crime per capita in Columbus is like 83. It's like top 10 in the country.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

Which is a bad argument. Both places are safe for where the majority of the tourism and action is. Both places have really bad spots where no ones goes.

I never said Columbus was crime free...from the beginning i've said it has less crime than Cleveland and Cincinnati, which it does.

Which I'm saying is a bad argument b/c both places are safe for where the major tourism and action is. Both places have bad areas where the majority of the crime is where no one goes

so you're saying Cleveland's worst areas are so much worse than Columbus's that it makes up for the per capita difference, everything else being equal?

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:
dude...you can't shine shit. Quit trying. Columbus has less crime than Cincinnati and Cleveland. You can't bs your way around it.

Which is exactly what you're doing. Columbus has a lot of shitty areas. Cleveland has a lot of shitty areas. Cincy has a lot of shitty areas.. you're trying to make Columbus out to be this amazing place that is so safe and clean. It isn't. You can throw a rock from campus and end up in shitty areas.. you refuse to acknowledge it though.

Which is a bad argument. Both places are safe for where the majority of the tourism and action is. Both places have really bad spots where no ones goes.

I never said Columbus was crime free...from the beginning i've said it has less crime than Cleveland and Cincinnati, which it does.

Which I'm saying is a bad argument b/c both places are safe for where the major tourism and action is. Both places have bad areas where the majority of the crime is where no one goes

so you're saying Cleveland's worst areas are so much worse than Columbus's that it makes up for the per capita difference, everything else being equal?

Cleveland is older and more established.. Columbus is still farm land and young.. it'll get there eventually.. give her time.

Steel Valley Football wrote: I think you guys are missing the fact that Cleveland might be a great place to live for someone with ZWP's lifestyle and interests, but not for me and some others here. To put it bluntly, Columbus is a white-bread yuppie town while Cleveland is more for the hip-hoppers and the gangstas.

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

I already told u why Cleveland is great. It has 3 major league team venues all in walking distance. Its an old established city with a ton of shit to do and more history on one corner than the entire city of Cbus. And I don't have OSU shoved down my throat throughout the whole city.

Steel Valley Football wrote: From the sound of his argument, ZWP doesn't know enough about C-bus to debate this.

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

I already told u why Cleveland is great. It has 3 major league team venues all in walking distance. Its an old established city with a ton of shit to do and more history on one corner than the entire city of Cbus. And I don't have OSU shoved down my throat throughout the whole city.

who lives in downtown Cleveland?

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

I already told u why Cleveland is great. It has 3 major league team venues all in walking distance. Its an old established city with a ton of shit to do and more history on one corner than the entire city of Cbus. And I don't have OSU shoved down my throat throughout the whole city.

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

I already told u why Cleveland is great. It has 3 major league team venues all in walking distance. Its an old established city with a ton of shit to do and more history on one corner than the entire city of Cbus. And I don't have OSU shoved down my throat throughout the whole city.

do many people really live in downtown cleveland? i would guess that the majority of the population lives outside of the city and can't walk to venues.

cleveland was founded in 1796, columbus in 1812, there isn't that much difference in terms of history.

i grew up in columbus. much to my boyfriends dismay, i'm not a buckeye fan. the only time ohio state is shoved down your throat in terms of football is osu/michigan week. its there other times, but so are the browns, and i'm sure clevelanders get sick of them after the first few weeks of the season.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

derek bomar wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

teh awsum juan wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: It's all personal opinion. I like NEO. I hate SWO. I lived briefly in Sunbury and Central Ohio isn't my thing either.

it is all personal opinion, but bomar is giving reasons behind his opinion... growing population, several company headquarters, lower crime rates, rivers that don't get set on fire, lack of a rust belt (NEO would include youngstown..)

what is your reason?

What aren't you understanding? My reason is there's great places in every big city. There's bad places in every big city. There's fun things to do in every big city. Saying one is better than the other b/c it has less crime.. even though still a lot of crime.. is stupid.

i am not making the crime argument, i'm just giving evidence to support it.

i want to know your reason for what makes cleveland better than other cities in ohio. it isn't that hard dude. columbus. great city because the population is growing, our downtown area is thriving with new construction projects, and we have several large companies headquartered here.


now it is your turn to tell me why cleveland is great... and go.

I already told u why Cleveland is great. It has 3 major league team venues all in walking distance. Its an old established city with a ton of shit to do and more history on one corner than the entire city of Cbus. And I don't have OSU shoved down my throat throughout the whole city.

who lives in downtown Cleveland?

I have 2 friends who graduated from CWRU Law that live downtown.. It's a big area.. I'm sure lots of people do.