Pick6 wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.

One big difference is that ND doesn't have to share their bowl money now. When they reach a BCS bowl, it is all theirs to keep.

Thats the key word, reach. The last time they made a BCS bowl was against OSU. And before that?

Get a clue both of you. Under the current deal Notre Dame does not get the full $18 million that a BCS game participant takes back to their conference. ND gets $4.5 million if/when they appear in a BCS game. When they don't play in a BCS bowl they are paid $1.3 million.

j_crazy wrote:

WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.

you're right when it comes to the money, they'd make more in the conference, but what i'm saying is, they've got guaranteed money from the TV deal, plus they're already an automatic BCS bid, plus not having a conference schedule allows them to play some good rivalries that would be lost.

I understand that they stand to make more money by joining, but you have to admit the TV deal is good enough that they can sit tight and do what they've been doing.

think of it like this, in order to get into the BCS NC from the big ten, you'd have to beat (potentially)

UM, PSU, OSU, Mizzou, NEB, Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, PLUS USC (assuming they don't cancel that rivalry), PLUS a BIG 10 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Or now they can just play
GT, USC, PSU, MSU, Navy, Army, Duke, Purdue, etc.

You sir are quite wrong on this. The Big Ten owns their own TV network and has a great TV deal with ESPN. That is guaranteed money and is split evenly between the schools regardless of records, ratings, or how many times they appear on national television.. And the Big Ten will always have a large TV contract. There is no guarantee that NBC will want to renew Notre Dame's contract, or that they will get the same money they are getting now. There is absolutely no way that Notre Dame could come close to making the same TV money that every school in the Big Ten currently makes (and that number will go up a lot when the conference expands).

As far as BCS money goes, Notre Dame only gets $4.5 million for playing in a BCS bowl game. Since the inception of the BCS Notre Dame has averaged one BCS bowl appearance every four years. The Big Ten splits bowl revenue evenly between all of the schools, just like the TV revenue. Right now, Notre Dame stands to make more money in an individual year if they make a BCS game than they would make in bowl revenue in the Big Ten. However, since the Big Ten has guaranteed bowl tie-ins and guaranteed bowl money, if you average bowl revenue out over 4 years Big Ten teams still make more now. Also, the Gator Bowl, which ND used to have a tie-in with, no longer has that tie-in as that game is now a Big Ten-SEC game.

Basically what I am saying is that Notre Dame stands to make twice as much a year in guaranteed revenue from television and bowl games if they join the Big Ten. Plus, your nightmare schedule for ND would never happen because of the way the divisions would be broken down. ND's schedule if they joined the Big Ten would be able as hard as their schedule usually is now. They could keep Navy and USC on their out-of-conference schedule and rotate other non-Big Ten teams they have had traditional rivalries with every few years.

There is just way too much money to be lost if ND remains independent.

Pick6 wrote: The last time they made a BCS bowl was against OSU. And before that?

and Pick, since you are so good at being wrong, ND's last BCS Bowl was the 2007 Sugar Bowl against LSU, the year after they play OSU in the Fiesta Bowl. Other than those two things you had wrong, your post is solid. :dodgy:

karen lotz wrote:

WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.

I don't know if you know this or not, but the $22 million that is reported to be paid to each Big Ten school from the BTN is not accurate. It is money paid through a number of different income streams. Bowl money is all shared, national tv packages, and I think NCAA tourney money. The big ten network is not as lucrative as some think and some are speculating that the numbers are being inflated to entice other schools to join.

No one ever said that the $22 per team was from the Big Ten Network. That is total TV revenue, so it is a combination of the Big Ten Network and their ESPN contract.

krambman wrote: No one ever said that the $22 per team was from the Big Ten Network. That is total TV revenue, so it is a combination of the Big Ten Network and their ESPN contract.

And bowl money, NCAA tournament money and licensing money. Some are speculating that the numbers were inflated to sweeten the deal.

ND would definitely make more money in the Big Ten, but why join a conference when you can barely finish above .500 playing a powderpuff schedule. I'd love to see ND get BLOWN out by OSU, PSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa year in year out. And that's just the teams that are significantly better year in year out, Michigan, MSU, Illinois, Northwestern, etc...would probably beat them half the time. LOL

That's the real reason they won't join, $$ is just a BULLSHIT excuse.

karen lotz wrote:

Pick6 wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.

One big difference is that ND doesn't have to share their bowl money now. When they reach a BCS bowl, it is all theirs to keep.

Thats the key word, reach. The last time they made a BCS bowl was against OSU. And before that?

Get a clue both of you. Under the current deal Notre Dame does not get the full $18 million that a BCS game participant takes back to their conference. ND gets $4.5 million if/when they appear in a BCS game. When they don't play in a BCS bowl they are paid $1.3 million.

If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

Al Bundy wrote: If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

So you are telling me you knew that ND's BCS payout was only 4.5 million when they make it? By your crazy gorilla math you are saying that ND should stay independent over $2.25 million?

there is not 1 nd fan for joining the conference, why? You know it would be better competition than boston college. You already play the middle of the road big 10 teams like MSU and Purdue.

karen lotz wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

So you are telling me you knew that ND's BCS payout was only 4.5 million when they make it? By your crazy gorilla math you are saying that ND should stay independent over $2.25 million?

I never said they should stay independent. I think they should join the Big Ten. I was just pointing out that what I said I was correct about them making more money when they go to a BCS bowl.

Al Bundy wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

So you are telling me you knew that ND's BCS payout was only 4.5 million when they make it? By your crazy gorilla math you are saying that ND should stay independent over $2.25 million?

I never said they should stay independent. I think they should join the Big Ten. I was just pointing out that what I said I was correct about them making more money when they go to a BCS bowl.

And when they don't go they make less. Also, if 2 Big Ten schools qualify for BCS games, the money isn't double. Second qualifiers from conferences only earn $4.5 for the conference. That is where Notre Dame's payout comes from.

karen lotz wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

karen lotz wrote:

Al Bundy wrote: If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

So you are telling me you knew that ND's BCS payout was only 4.5 million when they make it? By your crazy gorilla math you are saying that ND should stay independent over $2.25 million?

I never said they should stay independent. I think they should join the Big Ten. I was just pointing out that what I said I was correct about them making more money when they go to a BCS bowl.

And when they don't go they make less. Also, if 2 Big Ten schools qualify for BCS games, the money isn't double. Second qualifiers from conferences only earn $4.5 for the conference. That is where Notre Dame's payout comes from.

When they don't go, it would depend upon how teams the Big Ten expands to and how many teams qualify, but in I agree it would most likely be more. If some of these superconference rumors come true, I would imagine that the next BCS (or whatever comes next) contract could be quite different. Hopefully ND is a Big Ten member.

The BCS isn't going anywhere. It will remain the same. The whole reason leagues are looking to expand is because of the BCS being so widely accepted.

ytownfootball wrote: The BCS isn't going anywhere. It will remain the same. The whole reason leagues are looking to expand is because of the BCS being so widely accepted.

If they end up with 4 superconferences, I think you could see major changes to the BCS.

Going to superconferences is a result of the BCS. It's the only way left for conferences to maximize revenue. The NCAA will not sanction a play-off like basketball and the BCS has proven to be a solid money maker.

The NCAA will sit on its hands, and the BCS will generate more revenue with superconferences. Why would they change anything?

ytownfootball wrote: Going to superconferences is a result of the BCS. It's the only way left for conferences to maximize revenue. The NCAA will not sanction a play-off like basketball and the BCS has proven to be a solid money maker.

The NCAA will sit on its hands, and the BCS will generate more revenue with superconferences. Why would they change anything?

I could see them increasing the number of teams allowed per conference so that they can bring in more of the schools with traditional names.

karen lotz wrote:

krambman wrote: No one ever said that the $22 per team was from the Big Ten Network. That is total TV revenue, so it is a combination of the Big Ten Network and their ESPN contract.

And bowl money, NCAA tournament money and licensing money. Some are speculating that the numbers were inflated to sweeten the deal.

You're still wrong about this.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4757335

Watch that video. Last year the Big Ten brought in $242 million in TV revenue alone, which was evenly divided among the 11 teams, equaling $22 million per team. The SEC was second with $205 million, or around $17 million per team. That is just TV revenue (for all sports). It does not include bowl money, tournament money, merchandising, ticket sales, etc. Just TV money. I doubt that the money ND gets from the Big East for the rest of their sports brings them up to that level of TV revenue income.

Al Bundy wrote: If ND joins a 16 team Big Ten $18 million divided by 16 gives you $1.125 per team. If two Big Ten teams qualify, they would get $2.25 million. Either way that is less than what they get if they keep their own BCS money. Maybe you need to learn some basic math before you tell someone to get a clue.

Did you forget about the fact that the Big Ten splits ALL bowl money, not just BCS money? When you add up all of the bowl money and divide it, it will still likely be a little less than $4.5 million per team, however, that is the money that every Big Ten school gets every year from bowl revenue. Like I said earlier, in a year that Notre Dame makes a BCS bowl they stand to make money money that year as an independent than in the Big Ten. However, if you average out the bowl money that ND has made in the BCS era (one BCS bowl game every four years) then Big Ten schools have made money total bowl money per year than Notre Dame has. The only way that ND makes money in bowl money over time is if they are playing in a BCS game nearly every year.

ytownfootball wrote: Going to superconferences is a result of the BCS. It's the only way left for conferences to maximize revenue. The NCAA will not sanction a play-off like basketball and the BCS has proven to be a solid money maker.

The NCAA will sit on its hands, and the BCS will generate more revenue with superconferences. Why would they change anything?

Let's make a few clarifications here. The NCAA does not control college athletics. College presidents and athletic directors control college athletics. The NCAA does not sanction the BCS. The Division 1 colleges sanction it. The NCAA has no power to declare a playoff and abolish the BCS, therefore, the NCAA will not sit on their hands because they have no power. The college presidents will do what they feel will make the most money while still being in the best interest of their school. With four super conferences, this will likely mean a four or six (or maybe even eight) team playoff for college football.

krambman

I'm not so certain the NCAA couldn't sanction a play-off if they wanted to. The BCS has a contract with member schools, so from that angle they'd have to wait till the contract is up. In other words they sit on their hands. The NCAA could theoretically (I believe) govern how to go about post season play, but choose not to because everyone is satisfied with the current system (well, more or less).

The NCAA hasn't been able to sanction (not ever) a NC since the inception of Bowl games, and the AP nonsense. I'm not sure they couldn't do so if they wished.

If we have 4 superconferences, we would end up with basically a 8 team playoff. Each conference will have a championship game. After that we will have the conference champions paly each other in a bowl game. The winners will play in a plus one for the title. Either get in with a superconference or get left out. That is why other conferences would react to the Big Ten going to 16 teams.

not sure if it was brought up, but looks like this was all a rumor

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=10619480

derek bomar wrote: not sure if it was brought up, but looks like this was all a rumor

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=10619480

I don't buy it. The radio station, which is one of the largest in MO--and has inside sources with the University of Missouri, isn't just randomly making this up. Something was leaked, and while the schools in question and B10 conference are all claiming "no official invitation has been given out" might be the truth. They were probably made aware of the B10's intentions and the official business will take place soon enough.

thesystem wrote:

derek bomar wrote: not sure if it was brought up, but looks like this was all a rumor

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=10619480

I don't buy it. The radio station, which is one of the largest in MO--and has inside sources with the University of Missouri, isn't just randomly making this up. Something was leaked, and while the schools in question and B10 conference are all claiming "no official invitation has been given out" might be the truth. They were probably made aware of the B10's intentions and the official business will take place soon enough.

The Big Ten has said they are looking to expand, so these rumors come up every few weeks. It is impossible to know if there is any truth to it or not. I wouldn't put it past a radio station to run a story that will generate ratings for the station.

Sometimes these "leaks" come from the inside. I would not be surprised if the B10 leaked this news to put the on ND or someone other potential candidate. If ND is balking at joining, the B10 could be telling them that they are willing to move on without them in an effort to force their hand.

karen lotz wrote:

WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.

I don't know if you know this or not, but the $22 million that is reported to be paid to each Big Ten school from the BTN is not accurate. It is money paid through a number of different income streams. Bowl money is all shared, national tv packages, and I think NCAA tourney money. The big ten network is not as lucrative as some think and some are speculating that the numbers are being inflated to entice other schools to join.

Yes, I absolutely did know this. The Big 10 splits up revenue from all sports and all sources. That is why I said I doubt ND makes $12 mill from other sports.

ytownfootball wrote: krambman

I'm not so certain the NCAA couldn't sanction a play-off if they wanted to. The BCS has a contract with member schools, so from that angle they'd have to wait till the contract is up. In other words they sit on their hands. The NCAA could theoretically (I believe) govern how to go about post season play, but choose not to because everyone is satisfied with the current system (well, more or less).

The NCAA hasn't been able to sanction (not ever) a NC since the inception of Bowl games, and the AP nonsense. I'm not sure they couldn't do so if they wished.

The problem is that the BCS schools make up the majority. Therefore, the NCAA (D-I FBS) can't vote for a playoff as the BCS schools would vote in a block. One of the reasons the BCS made sure the Big East stayed a BCS conference when the ACC pillaged them.

As long as the BCS has the majority, they won't vote for an NCAA sanctioned playoff. But, if they did get a super majority and turn into four super conferences, they would then probably go ahead and vote to create some type of four-team (conference champions only) mini-playoff that comprises just over half the schools.

Sykotyk